Posted by Lou Pilder on August 19, 2014, at 8:32:51
In reply to Lou's reply-sigma » pontormo, posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2014, at 14:22:36
> > I do think that Lou's arguments always rest on this formulation:
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> > "A subset of readers could think ..."
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> > This is an interesting way of formulating an argument, which would, I think, allow for many counter-factual propositions. That is, it's possibly not counterfactual that some group of people COULD think something..." -- what's counterfactual is that any group of people DO think it; or that any group of people would be LIKELY or RATIONAL to think it.
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> > For there are always small groups of people who are prone to think quite odd and irrational, or unsubstantiated and very improbable things-- and Lou's formulation -- if we respond to it as written--would force us to agree that many quite strange things, again, COULD be thought-- by this-- posited, but quite possiby non-existent, "subset" of people.
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> > But have we therefore agreed that whatever the subset could think is based in fact? or even well-reasoned? no-- not at all.
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> > So, in a sense, Lou wins most arguments before they even get off the ground, because he creates such a low threshold for the opposition to have to agree with what he claims.
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> > pontormo,
> You wrote,[...this formulation: 'A subset of readers could think"...].
> What I am trying to do here is to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and to stop Mr. Hsiung from allowing anti-Semitic statements and defamation toward me to stand to be seen as civil, supportive and will be good for this community as a whole according to his thinking by him and his deputies of record.
> When I use {a subset of readers}, I am trying to educate readers here in order so that readers could have their lives saved. This is because Mr. Hsiung uses in his TOS here that he is doing in his thinking what will be good for this community as a whole, and more than that, to trust him at that.
> But what is the {whole}? Can you tell me? You see, the whole is equal to the sum of its parts. These are the subsets of people that make up the whole. Jefferson realized that the subsets of people have to have equal protection of the laws for the whole to be good. As a result, outgrowths of the 14th amendment came to free the slaves, to end segregation, to end discrimination as his vision of being good for the country as a whole encompassed what he called the rights of man. He saw way ahead the horrors that could arise from a community practicing selective enforcement of the laws. His vision was adopted by other countries in their constitutions. Then along came European fascism. For 24 years, European fascism was spread by two ideologies. One was that there was the claim made that what the fascists were doing will be good for the country as a whole. The other involved that the claim could not be substantiated for it was to be in the future. So the second was that people were to trust whoever was promulgating that it will be good for the country as a whole.
> The historical record shows what happened to those countries and their people and that over one hundred million people were killed during that time and those thinking that it would be good for the country as a whole, trusted the wrong people. Those leaders that were captured when their people stopped trusting them, were executed or killed by their own citizens or they committed suicide and some escaped justice. But the world learned then what could happen when equal protection of the law is not granted to all of the citizens. For if the whole is equal to the sum of its parts, and could not that one part be suffering, that then the whole also suffers?
> I have come to free the captives of hate. To turn depression into gladness and to come out of the darkness into a marvelous light. I may not be able to do that here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, but that light can not be stopped from penetrating at least some readers here, so that they can see through the wall of partition set up by Mr. Hsiung to me that prevents me from posting from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me here.
> Lou
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> Friends,
We are now in an area that could lift you out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. For a great awakening could occur here. This is because many of you are caught in the troubled sea, tossed to and froe, fighting for your life, looking for a way out, crying out, "What must I do to be saved"
Trust me, for I know a way out. A way out of the troubled sea to stand on a sea of glass. A way out of the darkness to be saved by The Sun of righteousness with healing in his wings.
Now there is a morning star here. You could know the truth and the truth will make you free.
The masterminds of fascism, seem like yesterday. The glory that could be, is from another day. And I havn't forgotten that Jefferson penned a start. He penned (with a little help from his friends) in the opening of the declaration of independence,"We hold these truths self-evident, that all men are created equal..."
That opening statement brings forth what I could write here that could unshackle those in the captivity of depression. But be it as it may be, some history could help us to have a better understanding here. For those ignorant of history, it has been said, could repeat the errors that the historical record reveals.
Lou
Here is a mastermind of European fascism, that I will post more about. To see this video pull up Google and type in:
[ youtube, CfS8AulsYRk ]
The video comes up first
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