Posted by bleauberry on December 19, 2013, at 12:03:17
In reply to A way out?, posted by Cif on December 19, 2013, at 9:56:14
Can offer some thoughts? Opinions?
I think it helps when we feel like we are in trouble to view it in perspective as a big picture rather than an isolated idiopathic thing. There is nothing about the Bible that can be disproved and I believe the Word of God through His chosen servants in that book. From that perspective, our earthly experience here is not our home. Earth is called the Valley of the Shadow of Death for a reason. Every single thing upon the face of the earth will deteriorate and die, beginning the moment it is born. Temporary rule is Satan's. God does all kinds of stuff for us on the front end of events and on the back end of events which almost magically take any evil Satan can throw at us and somehow cause the outcome to be great instead of bad. In any case, we don't belong here. Temporary. Sin and suffering is what Satan loves. But his rule does have an end.
For those who put their faith in Jesus, there is a new world beyond anything the human brain could envision waiting after our earthly bodies die. I feel sorry for our spirits sometimes, stuck in these diseased bodies!
How long will I live? How long will you live? It really doesn't matter whether it is 40 years or 90 years....it is still just a speck of sand on a large beach in the span of time.
While we should do everything possible to enjoy our life and make the most of the unique gifts to each of us that God gave us, guitar playing is mine, the real focus needs to stay on making it to that great place where all this crap simply doesn't exist. We tend to put all of our importance and focu on the 70 or so years we are alive, and practically zero importance to the forever amount of time that comes afterward. There are only two destinations in that world. Choose the good one. And realize through the worst of suffering, it is the way of this world at this point of history, stay focused on what matters.
You have a ton of healing and improved times ahead of you. I just know it. Ignore the stuff in here that I have shared, and then my opinion would change to pessimistic rathe than optimistic.
Do you know how a stock trader makes money? Well, their paycheck depends on them taking a risk. No risk, no pay. Simple as that. It's the same with our healing. If we become aware of things have helped other people and may help you too, yet choose to ignore it for any reason, you don't get well. Simple as that.
Back to meds. I think we have to do everything we possibly can to improve the quality of our lives. You've made valiant efforts in that area, except it appears they have all been in the direction of psychiatrists and psych meds? In terms of human health and comfort, that represents only a small slice of the whole pie, and the rest of the pie is being ignored. The rest of the pie is where the healing and improvement happens, when psych meds alone fail. The fact that they have been generally disappointing for you, is actually a strong hint that is the wrong approach to heal whatever is wrong.
If the current meds bring you some relief, cool. Is t hat is good as it gets? With psych meds, that is a high probability. Maybe spend the next 20 years trying another backpack full of them? I think those 20 years would be much more fruitful addressing other real problems that cause diseases like yours and mine. Makes more sense, to me anyway, than gambling on the next prescription. I think the odds at a Las Vegas gambling table are more in your favor than more scripts would be.
In my very long suffered experience with treatment resistant depression and other psychiatric symptoms, my journeys have shown me that the majority of depressions which appear to be mostly biological have at their root something that is insulting the brain's receptors. The something is most likely toxins. The origination of the toxins includes unsuspected stealth infections such as Lyme for just one example, lead and mercury and aluminum from our environment or from teeth. Chemicals in common soaps actually screw up our hormones when they mix with the chlorine in the water we wash with, and this finally made its way to the news this week. But many of us outside the box of psychiatry have known this for a couple years now already. The classical medicine world might not realize it, but they are playing catch-up to what is already known in the field. Other toxins? Who knows.
Ever noticed how some depression patients get more depressed when they exercise? There is a reason for that. Toxins. Exercise stirs up a lot of existing toxins, and creates more as tissues are stressed.
Inflammation is a huge issue also. Any kind of toxin is going to do that. A confused immune system will do that.
Most of your symptoms are from toxins, not from a supposed chemical imbalance. What they do is dock at receptors where our own neurotransmitters are supposed to dock. They can bind with serotonin and dopamine and sort of corrupt them so they can't function properly no matter how much we increase the levels.
Antipsychotics happen to be helpful for this stuff, because they offer competition for the toxins, and can block receptors that are being impacted. Zyprexa is a great med for this purpose. As for withdrawing from it, yeah, that is hard. I was on 5mg for 8 years. It took me about 3 months weaning off in tiny amounts, crumbs actually, until finally gone. Lemon Balm, Passion Flower, Valerian....very helpful herbs for zyprexa withdrawal. Helped me and saved me multiple times.
In a nutshell, we need to:
1. Clean up the diet to remove toxins and to increase plant intake which will help clear out toxins. Organic is important because while a young healthy vibrant person with good genes can process the trace amounts of pesticides and chemicals, patients with chronic illnesses and/or stress and/or bad genes will tend to accumulate those toxins rather than clean them out.
2. Support and modulate the immune system with specific minerals, herbs, and vitamins.
3. Try antimicrobial herbs as diagnostic tests to see what happens. This will help to determine if an infection is involved or not. If one of these herbs makes you feel like absolute crap, all of your symptoms worse and some new ones on top of it, you just made a rough diagnosis and even identified the substance that is effective against it. Cat's Claw, Japanese Knotweed, raw garlic cloves, olive leaf, pau d'arco, and at least a dozen others available.
4. Anti-inflammation from various angles, including herbs and OTC pain relievers.
5. Hormonal support and neurotransmitter support (rhodiola rosea or eleuthero or ashwaganda).The same herbs that Lyme patients use happen to be excellent at all of this stuff. If you were to study up on natural treatments of lyme disease, which is mostly a toxin disease actually, you will be armed with powerful stuff to fight psychiatric symptoms at their core. Not just bandaid them.
The brain is plastic, meaning it is always changing and rebuilding and rewiring. It is not static. That is in our favor. Because as more and more time passes while we engage in the above treatments, the brain will change in response to the lessened toxin load and the lessened inflammation load and the cleaner more powerful vital nutrients found in organic non-GMO foods.
So where you might be wondering if this is a trap, the end of the road, no way out, well, no, none of those. To answer your question in the title, yes, there is a way out.
But I do not believe that will happen with psychiatry by itself. No way. It just isn't enough, misses all the important targets, doesn't heal anything. Their role is.....improvement of quality of life, period. For a while anyway. You are aware how the meds fall short and poop out. They don't heal disease.
My own story involves 25 years or so of serious depression, failed a backpack full of meds as well as ECT. The only med I have not taken is Nardil and a couple of the more obscure TCAs. I have had amalgams. I have had and do have lyme disease. I do have and have had several amazing M.D.s who shared with me some of the stuff I have shared with you. I just want you to know that everything I have said here is not academic professor theory talk, is not bizarre crazy talk, and that while they are all opinions, they are ones I feel very strongly about, can defend in a debate, and are the result of experience guided by intuition. And God.
My own depression is mostly gone most of the time. The strategies above did what $35,000+ of psychiatry could not do.
What is something in the Bible that God tells us is a most important thing to gather on this earth? Wisdom. I have just given you about 25 years of it so you can do it in just 1 year. I think maybe what God meant was, this is not a good place to be and if you want to do the best you can while here, you need to know a lot of stuff. More importantly, we need the wisdom of perspective so we can keep our sights on what really matters.
You are going to see days, weeks, and months where you feel a lot better than now. That I know for sure.
Who is the best guide through this valley and this journey? His name is Jesus. There is one best path for every person, and He is the only one who knows each of those paths. He works on a volunteer basis....don't call on His help, He will leave you alone to your own doings....call for His help, He will be there to show you how it's done.
> Dear Reader,
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> I have been diagnosed with Bipolar 1 Mood Disorder for 12 years now.
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> I have been on countless treatments and am now stabilized on 20mg Olansapine and 2200mg Epilum...
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> There is a strong history of mental disorder in my family.
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> I have tried a few times to drop my meds and go cold-turkey - which has had very negative effects.
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> I have also tried to self-taper my meds without the support of psychiatrists.
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> I do not have any family or social support to leave the meds and would just like to find out if this is going to be a life-long-lot or whether there actually is a way out?
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> Or have there already been numerous neuropathways bored into my brain that have formed such a strong dependency that makes me a slave of the psychopharmaceuticals?
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> Your input will be valued!
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> Cif...
poster:bleauberry
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