Posted by Lou Pilder on October 27, 2012, at 14:47:20
In reply to Lou's response-moarheyt » Willful, posted by Lou Pilder on October 27, 2012, at 13:53:08
> > Phil was saying not that Lou's mental illness is a result of his being religious, but that his religiousity was a result of his mental illness.
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> > He wasn't speaking of Jews, but of Lou. Lou is not 'Jews", and in many respects, he is not pure and simple a Jew. Lou is Lou. When I say that Lou is mentally ill-- if I say it-- I don't say that a Jew is mentally ill. His being Jewish has nothing to do with it. Even if his illness relates to religiosity, curiously, it has nothing to do with his being Jewish
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> > This is true because his Jewishness is caught up by this illness-- it is not causal or even crucial to the illness. It may make the illness more pernicious-- and more inflammatory-- I doubt we would be so disturbed if Lou were saying that postings on the board made him check his stove 100 times before he left the house. So his saying that there are nameless posts, or that any criticism of him is anti-semitic and tends to whatever the most extreme results of anti-semiticism could be, does arouse a lot of disruption. But the Jewish aspect is far from the root cause. One might say it is the rhetorical or symbolic container for his illness, but as such, is divorced from Jewishness itself.
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> > If I won't eat, it's not because I'm Jewish; it's because I have problems that have nothing to do with Jewishness. If I"m obsessed by the persecution of Jews in the early 1900's, it has nothing to do with my Jewishness per se-- it simply is an outgrowth of some obsessivenss that has selected Jewishness as it object. (It may locate you in relation to the persecution-- as a victim of it-- but amounts to that.) (I add, just for the record, that I am Jewish.)
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> > Being Jewish doesn't mean that everything about you is defined by your Jewishness. Many aspects of your self are simply human, and shared with every other human on the planet-- in one variety or aspect or another. And your being Jewish is in some sense incidental to your general humanity.
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> > So let's dispense once and for all with any pretense that Jewishness or anti-semiticism is more than peripherally involved in anything we're saying about Lou, or that Lou really cares about. It's just a vehicle for talking about what Lou cares about, a very effective vehicle, that gets a lot of attention.
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> > Lou is more interested in persecution than he is in Jewishness. I have always assumed that --anyway. We all know Lou suffers from some very serious mental illness-- at least I have always assumed that we all know that-- except for newcomers on the board who are assaulted by Lou and then don't know why or what to think.
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> > We shouldn't kid ourselves about this. What we have here is someone who has a sense of persecution, and who is in full bloom of spreading this poison through this board, because he is unable to contain it himself. And his claims about Jewishness are a way at best of expressing the pressing sense of this poison, and of making us all (and himself) drink a whole lot of it.
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> > I don't know what can be done about Lou, because he simply is using us as instruments of his own craziness. His persecution and rescue phantasies have nothing to do with any of us or what we're doing-- yet they waylay us, drive newcomers from the board, and sow a lot of confusion and pain. Why do we (why does Bob) let this happen?
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> > Is it helping (or supporting) Lou to let him carry out- and to reexperience this onslaught?
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> > I surely don't see the kindness in letting him do this here to us and to himself. Apparently Bob thought that was kinder-- to Lou, and not detrimental enough to the community. At this point, I think the ratios have turned. But it remains, I guess, for Bob to be convinced--since he has the power to intervene, as he sees fit.
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> W,
> Please do not post slanderous statements here about me. Your saying here that I have a mental illness is defamatory and that you say that my religiosness is a result of such is debasing Judaism.The term, mental illness, is a vague term that can be defamatory. Some think that all humans are mentally ill and others to the other extreme where a person commits mass-murder is mentally ill. You did not specify what your concept here is of mentally ill, except that my religiousness of Judaism is a result of what you purport as me being mentally ill. That you claasify me as mentally ill, and by what authority do you use, if any, to classify me or anyone else as mentally ill, please do not classify me at all. It is a lie that my religiousness is a result of "mental illness".
> Your "Dr Bob" allows you to post here statements that are a disregard for my humanity and my faith by you claiming a lie that can cause me harm. But being allowed by him for you to post about me here does not ever ligitamize hateful statements toward me. If you think that calling someone here mentally ill and that their religiousness is a result of "mental illness" is supportive, then hate is supportive here.
> LouW,
You wrote that I have "rescue phantasies".
Your claim that my attempts to lead people to be free from depression and addiction is a thing called, "rescue phantasies", is a reckless disregard for the truth. This is all becuase this forum is for support and education. Granted, Mr Hsiung has posted prohibitions to me here that prevent me from posting from a Jewish perspective in regards to the foundation of Judaism that has been revealed to me that could open a whole new life to those enslaved by depresssion and addiction. But is not this is what the forum's goals are? And people here are denied my perspective, which is a Jewish perspective, so that knowing what I could tell them is suppressed by Mr Hsiung here. The supresssion of speech can lead to an indoctrination. And then an indoctrination can lead to an establishment of hatred towad Jews here because the Jewish perspective is made out here by Mr Hsiung to be unsupportive by the nature that it is sanctioned as uncivil by him and there is a prohibition to me here to prevent me from posting it.
Yet today, members can post the Chrstiandom perspective that says that people who reject Jesus can not have Eternal Life or forgiveness. This policy here by Mr Hsiung defames Jews and others. It is the foundation of hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and other faiths. It is insulting the very goals of this forum. It is direspectfull to humanity itself. And you say that you don't know what can be done about me? Is it that you want to stop me from freeing the captives from addiction and depression or stop me from stopping "Dr Bob" from allowing antisemitic statements to stand here? Or is it that you want to stop me from helping people to overcome and be freed from being scared of that they will get a life-ruining condition or death from mind-altering drugs that kill over 3500 people each month? If you think that the supression of the foundation of Judaism is supportive, and the allowing of the foundation of Christiandom that says that those that reject Jesus can not have Eternl Life or forgiveness from God, which is the foundation of hatred toward the Jews,then hatred toward the Jews is supportive here.
Lou
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