Posted by SLS on July 22, 2012, at 19:56:33
In reply to Re: Experience with adult ADHD?, posted by ron1953 on July 22, 2012, at 16:54:34
> I have an opinion that it's *often* BS, not a blanket conclusion.
That is not what you said. Your words indicated that you had come to a blanket conclusion. Go read them.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20120718/msgs/1021860.html
> Also, I'm not familiar with Adler.
Okay.
What facts do you use to support your opinion?
> The lure of the empirical scientific approach is understandable,
The lure of knowledge understandable.
> but it often fails miserably when it comes to the human psyche.
What fails miserably, the scientific method? So, you are also going to opine against the validity of psychology experiments?
> Think of the android character, Data, from Star Trek,
I know he is one of your favorite metaphors.
> whose computer brain, however complex, could not understand human emotion, humor, etc..
You are wrong. It could very much understand all of those things. He would have displayed such understanding much sooner in the series had Dr. Noonien Soong not purposely withheld the emotion processor chip from Data's positronic brain. For you see, the loss of a very small locus of circuitry can affect a great deal of function. This may not be so different from ADHD.
> The scientific approach often employed in psychiatry and psychopharmacology has its limitations,
Name one.
> and is mostly based on acceptance of the status quo of standard academic teachings, conventional wisdom and accepted beliefs. Ir rarely, if ever, goes outside of the box.
Oh. What teachings and beliefs would you like to employ? Your own? Name one that relates to ADHD.
> Scott, I haven't studied ADHD, but I observe.What do you observe, specifically?
> And by the way, if I challenged you to support your beliefs, I think you'd be hard-pressed to do so,
What kind of support would you like to see?
> aside from citing other people's work.
Oh, I see. I only get to use my own work. Is that how you operate?
> What would my advice to an ADHD patient be?
>
> I'd advise that they analyze the ENTIRE situation, especially in regard to their purported problem versus assumptions and expectations of others.One can speak in such generalities when addressing many unrelated aspects of life. Would you care to amplify how you would go about applying these concepts to a new ADHD patient specifically?
I have a certain amount of confidence in my own observations of real people with ADHD. However, I have more confidence in the consensus of the hundreds of researchers and thousands of physicians who observe ADHD in the 8 million or so sufferers every day.
Where is the BS?
- ScottSome see things as they are and ask why.
I dream of things that never were and ask why not.- George Bernard Shaw
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