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Re: Anyone interested in bipolar depression formula? » uncouth

Posted by Ron Hill on June 19, 2012, at 6:08:02

In reply to Anyone interested in bipolar depression formula?, posted by uncouth on June 7, 2012, at 10:27:23

> I want to do a supplement run as a trial of a formula I want to eventually develop and market specifically for BIPOLAR DEPRESSION.
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Uncouth,

I fully agree with you regarding the efficacy of using vitamins and supplements as an add-on to bipolar meds. As you can see by my list at the bottom of this post, I take the endogenous form of several vitamins and supplements.

Like you, I do my homework; so there is a purpose for each vitamin and supplement that I take. Here are a few examples: I lower my homocysteine with the combination of L-methylfolate (i.e.; endogenous folate -- Deplin), plus sublingual methylcobalamin (i.e.; endogenous B12), and sublingual P-5-P (i.e.; endogenous B6). I improve the functioning of my mitochondria with N-Acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC), Acetyl-L-Carnitine, Alpha-Lipoic Acid, L-Arginine, Co-Q10, and Vitamin C. I increase my BDNF with phosphatidylserene. I improve the production of neurotransmitters with sublingual methylcobalamin and sublingual P-5-P. There are more, but you get the idea.

As would be expected, if I did not take my meds, I would get depressed. Further, to my surprise, if I skip my vitamins and supplements for more than two days in a row, I become very noticeably depressed. I have missed my daily doses of vitamins and supplements for more than two days in a row on many occasions, and EVERY TIME I become depressed.

In regard to your idea of concocting a formula, I view it as contra-productive for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, vitamins and supplements do not affect every bipolar patient the same way. As an example, since the vitamins and supplements that I take provide such a benefit in the treatment of the depressive side of my bipolar disorder, I talked one of my best friends (also bipolar) into conducting a trial of each vitamin and supplement added one at a time to his med cocktail. It completely confounded me when most of the supplements made him WORSE.

Secondly, I would not want a formula because I can already buy trusted brands of each vitamin and supplement from reputable sources. I want to be able to adjust the daily dosage up or down for each vitamin and supplement independently of the others.

Just my 2 cents.

I am very happy to hear that you are benefiting from your vitamins and supplements. Do you have any recommendations for additions or changes to the vitamins and supplements that I am currently taking? In the past, based on research, I tried taurine, but I did not sense an improvement from it.

-- Ron

MEDICATIONS:

200 mg/day lamotrigine
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_lamictal.pdf

600 mg/day oxcarbazepine
http://www.pharma.us.novartis.com/product/pi/pdf/trileptal.pdf

500 mg/day Keppra
http://www.keppra.com/pc/global/Keppra_Full_PI.pdf

90 mg/day Nardil
http://www.pfizer.com/files/products/uspi_nardil.pdf

20 mg/day Dexedrine spanules
http://www.gsksource.com/gskprm/htdocs/documents/DEXEDRINE-PI-MG.PDF

7.5 mg/day Deplin
http://www.deplin.com/

25 mg/day Valdoxan (agomelatine)
http://www.servier.co.uk/products/valdoxan/


VITAMINS and SUPPLEMENTS

5000 mcg/day of sublingual methylcobalamin
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-MethylCobalamin-Cherry-Flavored-5-mg-60-Tablets/1461?at=0

25 mg/day of sublingual P-5-P
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Coenzymated-B-6-25-mg-Sublingual-120-Tablets/1038?at=0

850 mg/day of Mg 212% of RDA (as 5 grams of Mg Malate)
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Magnesium-Malate-1-250-mg-360-Tablets/19154?at=0

One Multi-vitamin/day; Only 100% of all the usual vitamins; Look for good chelations. NO VANADIUM!!
http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-Raw-One-for-Men-75-UltraZorbe-Vegan-Caps/18251?at=0

60 ml/day (= ¼ cup) of Bottled Fish Oil
http://www.iherb.com/Carlson-Labs-The-Very-Finest-Fish-Oil-Orange-Flavor-16-9-fl-oz-500-ml/7799?at=0

200 mg/day phosphatidylserene
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Phosphatidyl-Serine-100-100-mg-60-Capsules/1454?at=0

2000 IU/day Vitamin D-3
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Vitamin-D-3-1000-IU-200-Tablets/1216?at=0

600 mcg/day Chromium Picolinate
http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Chromium-Picolinate-200-mcg-100-Capsules/1879?at=0

200 mcg/day GTF Chromium
http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-GTF-Chromium-Polynicotinate-100-Capsules/1918?at=0

1000 mg/day Cinnamon
http://www.iherb.com/Solgar-Full-Potency-Herbs-Cinnamon-100-Veggie-Caps/12156?at=0

600 mg/day N-Acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC)
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-N-A-C-Sustain-600-mg-100-Bilayer-Tablets/135?at=0

250 mg/day Acetyl-L-Carnitine
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Acetyl-L-Carnitine-250-250-mg-120-Capsules/175?at=0

300 mg/day Alpha-Lipoic Acid
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Alpha-Lipoic-Sustain-300-with-Biotin-300-mg-120-Bilayer-Tablets/24411?at=0

500 mg/day L-Arginine
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Arginine-1000-1000-mg-100-Easy-Solv-Tablets/146?at=0

200 mg/day Co-Q10
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Co-Q10-200-200-mg-60-Capsules/224?at=0

2 g/day Vitamin C
http://www.iherb.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Nutricology-Pure-Vitamin-C-100-Capsules/3449?at=0

Article
http://biogaba.com/images/nutrients_botanicals_stress.pdf


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