Posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2012, at 16:18:28
In reply to Re: Lou's request-ahbpsolu, posted by Willful on April 26, 2012, at 11:57:10
> There's no evidence, though, that neuronal dematuration or damage is the end result of a process that takes place in everyone. There are lots of physical reactions that take place rarely, in a few individuals, because individual physiology is different and those people's bodies' have an inability, as an example, to process certain substances. It's not as if if one person has a condition, everyone has a lesser degree of that condition, but force of logic. People are sufficiently different that biological process are not uniform through the species.
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> So I think your claim isn't based on genuine logic, or on any established fact, but is based in fear. I'm very sorry if you've had a bad reaction to medications; more care should be taken to monitor how people are responding and to give assistance and support. Any responsible doctor will do this. But doctors are overworked and often in the dark themselves, as you point out. They're trying to help-- but they get caught in their own systems, and prior experiences.
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> All too often left to people to monitor and to evaluate their own reactions-- which is partly inevitable. But doctors may be insufficiently open or able to listen. We;ll experienced doctors who are inhumane, brusque, or uninformed-- when we're at our most vulnerable. It's the system of health care more than doctors, often.
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> But that's not because all ADs cause deterioration of cells--in the human body-- or are toxic in some way.
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> I do think we need more research on how to mitigate the effects of drugs, how to predict usefulness of drugs to individuals, and many other things. But we can all agree that resources are limited, knowledge about the brain is at its beginning, and doctors and patients alike are trapped in the time that they live in, with the treatments that are available. I doubt doctors who operated before the advent of anesthetics wanted to do so-- and I doubt that doctors are happy about the failure of drugs to help their patients. But they muddle on like the rest of us-- hoping that they can help many, and disappointed or worse when they aren't able to help.
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> They don't necessarily tell us =-- and we aren't necessarily the best judge of how they see us, or what their motives are.
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> I think however, that myths, fantasies and both hopeful and despairing projections blanket this field of psychoactive drugs on both the positive and negative sides. We infer from our own experiences, just as doctors do. At least let's admit that we know less than they do-- And let's not assume that what happens in a test tube happens in the body, or that how a mouse may (or may not) be reacting will happen in humans. If you've had TD from an AD, or know someone who has, from all I've read you are in a very very tiny minority. And I am extremely sorry that this has happened. Of course if it happened frequently, I would be just as vehement in saying that they shouldn't be used except when absolutely necessary-- and then only vigilantly.
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> Also I should add that the cases of TD reported on the ehealthme site, were all categorized as in the least severe category. I'm not saying therefore that TD is acceptable in any category-- but that you have to weight risks and benefits in any sphere, and it seems to me that the possible benefits from ADs for severely depressed people far outweight the risks of trials of various AD drugs.
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> If you're against even trying ADs in cases of serious depression, I , like Scott, would like to know what you propose to do to alleviate the suffering of people.
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> Despair poisons lives. And imo, anything that offers to give people a chance at a liveable and productive life, less it's as bad or almost as bad as the disease, is worth a try-- So far as I see, ADs are well within that category. Anyone who wants them banned or who frightens people away from them is doing them a disservice. And that makes me very sad and very worried for those people.
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> Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIVxv5ag0pQ
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poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1016024
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