Posted by bleauberry on February 13, 2012, at 13:11:33
In reply to Nardil failed - nothing left?, posted by Lepus on February 12, 2012, at 13:09:51
> So it looks like Nardil isn't going to work for me. I have severe anxiety, agoraphobia and depression. Nardil was pretty much my last hope since I've been on pretty much every other drug on the market. So what now? Could there be a physical cause no one is finding? Or am I just dead? I've lost most of my life to this. I had so much hope for Nardil. Now I fear my life is over.
I'm so sorry for the failures and no doubt your hope is rock bottom. Understandable. I do have some ideas. They will not be immediately helpful, but they do offer the very real prospect of actually getting well.
First of all, a bit off topic, but not really, if you have not asked Jesus to be in your fight with you, it's going to continue to be a really hard fight. Talk to Him and invite Him daily. His love and grace is already there, you don't have to do anything to earn it. But what you need is....wisdom. Wisdom to know what to do. He promised to give that to all who ask for it, and He does. You, me, all of us, need the kind of wisdom that can only come from Him.
Let me put a disclaimer out there before I go on....I am not saying you have Lyme disease.
Ok. Now, in stuff like Lyme disease or other similar occult chronic unsuspected infectious pathogens, what happens to their poop, pee, and secreted toxins that protect them from your immune system? All that stuff goes into your blood and then where? To your brain. Think about that. Do you think crap like that might cause bizarre stuff? What would happen if we put a little bit of formaldahyde into your dopamine and serotonin synapses? The toxins of infections are numerous, but some are molecularly very similar to formaldahyde. Some more toxic than that.
So what to do? Well, first off we want to try to manage symptoms. Your entire history has been that, and it hasn't worked. The really important part never got started....dealing with the stuff that could be causing the problems in the first place.
So right off the top of my head, going on instinct and clues in your post, I would maybe take a look at the topic of "detox". Get the crap out of the brain. Do we know for sure there is crap to get rid of? No. Can we test for it? Not reliably. So we do nothing and stay sick? No. We try stuff. The length and severity of the illness justifies that. The failure of conventional approaches justifies that. So we do detox stuff to see. Or whatever, just to see, to rule it in or rule it out. Ok so we go through years of ruling in this med or that med, and it's ok to experiment like that even though we lose every time....but for some reason, we don't rule in or out anything else? That part, I don't get it. Makes no sense. We fail treatments aimed only at symptoms, but never even take a glance at what the real situation might be.
Anyway, if we were at a Lyme forum and someone was describing themselves the way you described yourself it would be like ho-hum, yeah, so what else is new, every one of us with lyme is like that. And it just so happens that many lyme patients do not respond well or at all to psychiatric meds.
I've used lyme as an example to make a point, but there are a dozen or more other cunning occult pathogens that can mimic this scenario. Most of them are sensitive to the same treatments as lyme, so it really doesn't matter if we know what we are dealing with or not. Most people who got completely well never knew for sure what they were dealing with.
Maybe there are excerpts of the book Healing Lyme by Stephen Buhner online? Dunno. Maybe buy the book. Doesn't matter if you have a lyme diagnosis or not, that's not the point. The point is, a whole bunch of stuff that is behind psychiatric symptoms is in the book. I can summarize it into 3 categories, which are usually intertwined....occult pathogens, toxin accumulation, and inflammation. Deal with those 3 issues and it would not be surprising to see most or all of your troubles go away.
So when you asked if there could be a physical cause no one is finding, absolutely the answer is yes yes yes!!!! And they aren't going to find it, so don't even go there. They don't know how. There are a handful of doctors in the country who are passionate with "gray" areas of medicine such as this, but for the most part they seem to be cookie cutter black-n-white doctors who don't exercise their God given brains very well.
Time for some detective work. Somewhere along the line in doing your detective experiments, you will get better.
If on the other hand you just want some kind of psychiatric prescription or psychiatric treatment that is going to restore you, I can't really offer any help there and apologize for that. If this were earlier in the game, that would be easy. But this late in the game, the rules change. It's a different game. The name of it is not depression. It's something else.
Long story summed up....learn all you can about lyme, regardless if you have it or not, and a whole new world will open up. Right when you thought you were at the end of the road, you've got a whole brand new highway in front of you.
Where to start? Rhodiola, Japanese Knotweed, Sarsaparilla, Red Root, Chlorella, gluten free experiment, high dose garlic, Cat's Claw or Samento.
Hey the other day I was near death from depression. It was so so horribly bad I can't even describe it. My usual lifesaver....vicodin...didn't help. It was that bad. Later that night my wife wanted to make love. I took a viagra. Imagine my shock when 20 minutes later that depression was gone! Sex had not happened yet, I actually had no interest in it at the time, but depression vanished after viagra. How could that be? What does viagra do? Well, among other things it relaxes muscles and it opens up blood vessels. Brain inflammation....bingo!
Just sayin.
My best antidepressants of recent years?
DMSA (chelates mercury and lead, OTC over internet)
Diflucan (antifungal)
Various herbs that deal with "herxheimer" reactionsJust sayin.
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> Where so you go when you've tried every class of meds? I think ECT is out. I've never heard of it helping anyone and I want to go to grad school. I need a brain to do that.
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