Posted by 49er on October 31, 2010, at 11:53:04
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » 49er, posted by lamictal on October 31, 2010, at 11:11:51
Ok, I am really being bad in responding and continuing an off topic thread but you made a made a few points I wanted to respond to.
I participate in the meds forum in case there are posts from people who have tapererd who might benefit from my experience.
Also, my experience can benefit people who want to stay on meds but might benefit from a lower than normal dose.
By the way, Maxime said I gave her hope that depression can be overcome. If I had stayed in the alternative thread as you suggested, she wouldn't have seen my posts.
Hey, it is boring to be on forums where everybody agrees with each other. But I have never crusaded against meds like another poster you have seen on these boards.
I do draw my limits as I would never visit political forums where their views would be intolerable. But I find on this forum, there is enough common ground believe it or not, that I am not a total misfit.
Regarding the alt forum, why is this an either or situation? That life saving psychiatrist I talked about also believed in some supplements (not all).
But you are right to be leery as I feel many alternative health folks are preying on people's dissatisfaction with psychiatry and making bogus claims.
Sorry I wasn't clear about the financial conflict issue. People have every right to earn as much as possible.
But when you don't disclose a conflict that may affect your conclusions, I do have a problem with that. Just so you know I am not picking on psychiatry, I think this applies to all types of professionals, including alternative folks. By the way, they have plenty of conflicts in selling supplements that they make recommendations on.
And you're right, just because you have a potential conflict doesn't mean there is wrongdoing. Scott posted a link to another article on treating pain with antidepressants in which the financial conflict was disclosed. It looked like in reading the article that the conclusions were reasonable.
That is it for now.
49er
PS - By the way, I never thought my former P-doc was profit driven even when he felt I should be on meds for life when I totally disagreed with. I just don't think that someone who has a full practice would have that motive. And he charged the lowest rates in my area,
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> > As to whether I am anti meds, I guess you missed a post in which I described how someone who suffered horrific withdrawal symptoms from insomnia felt a psychiatrist was life saving with very low dose medication. I highly praised this professional and wish I had access to someone like that in my area.
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> > Unless you have read alot of posts by someone, I would caution you to make premature judgments.
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> > Again, my apologies to Maxime for this off topic response but I saw in another thread where you warned people like me to stay away. So I thought you needed to know that your perception wasn't totally accurate.
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> > I wish you well.
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> > 49er
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> Yes I may not have been totally accurate in my assesment of your perceptions. and yes my apoligies to Maxime. Possibly there needs to be another thread in babble. There seems to be an attempt to draw a logical extrapolation of pscyhiatry that is in fact is not logical. What I am seeing from some:
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> 1. We live in a system called capitalism that is profit driven. Yes that is true
> 2. P-docs take part in that system and there are profit driven. Partly true. Yes I'm sure that they enjoy making a good living and having a good life style. But that may not be their only driving force.
> 3. P-docs are totally profit driven. Not true.
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> 4. The pharmacuetical industry is profit driven and all their products are the products of greed. Partly true. That has been the case in isolated instances. But that does not mean all are lairs and thieves. They are often profit driven to create good and reputable products.
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> One can not assume that because one takes part in a capitalist system that all are liars and thieves. Yes unforunately in some cases but in many cases not true and good pruducts by hard working scientists who take pride in their work.
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> Wanting to make a lot of money is not a crime and does not mean you are a liar and a crook.
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> Some here do not like the capilist system and are jumping to the conclusion that therefore those who enjoy the fruits of it are not good people. Everyone is entitled to their day in court before being labeled a bad person.
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> this is not just a observation I have made of some here and is a very disturbing trend that a forum for med discussion has become a forum for bashing the system. Is this the proper forum for that?
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> Again my apoligies to Maxime.
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> Please just don't make assumptions about a barrel that may have some bad apples that the entire barrel is rotten.
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> Good luck to you also 49er. We are all striving for good health. perhaps the alt forum is a better place for you. An observation is that the med people don't hang out in the alt forum claiming it is bogus. Personally I wouldn't go to a cigar lovers forum if i were not a smoker to harangue them on the evils of tobacco. Just an observation and nothing more.
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