Posted by RocketMan on July 4, 2010, at 18:23:25
In reply to Re: shock treatment?!?! » RocketMan, posted by linkadge on July 4, 2010, at 17:21:00
> I have to disagree with your disagreement. ECT is like playing Russian roulette. There is really no way to "control" a seizure. Its really a crap shoot as to which brain circuits will be affected the most. Also, results probably depend on individual brain organization, and release of neuroprotective mechanisms.
>A crap shoot, ya, okay, that explains it. The part about brain organization and neuroprotective mechanisms sound official as well. But you say results "probably".... I would expect a more definite reasoning from someone with absolute psychiatric knowledge?????
> ECT increases BDNF. But, BDNF increases after many types of neuronal injury as a protective mechanism. There is individual variation in the release of BDNF in response to such an event.
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Again, BDNF, another impressive clinical term. Link, I bet you're a real doctor? Such a waste, you living your life at this site when you could be out in the real world, helping millions! Well, okay, you could at least be out there advocating for the removal of ECT from clinical practice. After all, it is a new millennium, mankind should know better.
> In mouse studies, a high release of BDNF (or injection of BDNF) in response to hypoxia corresponds to a greatly improved neurological outcome. The mice that don't release the BDNF and other neuroprotective factors (GDNF, BCL-2, preseizure glutamate levels, antioxidative status etc), aren't so lucky.
>I love cheese, so I guess I really was playing Russian roulette!!!! Then again, I once witnessed a mouse escape from a trap, it wasn't pretty, but the last I heard, he went on to live a normal life, go figure, Micky should have died!
> The same goes with epilepsy. It is well known that epileptic seizures can damage neural tissue. This is why neurologists go to such degrees to prevent lifetime seizure incidence. Some patients with epilepsy show significant neurological impairment after just one seizure, for others, it takes many seizures to see any impact. Some have repeated seizures without apparent consequence. Why does this happen? We don't know.
>Do you suffer with chronic epileptic fits? If yes, I'm sorry to hear that. If you don't, why the hell are you wasting your life away, researching a bunch of garbage that is meaningless. Again, it does sound quite impressive, and I bet many here are quite impressed with your wealth of knowledge. See, you are a real doctor!
> Sure, there are sucess stories with ECT, but there are also many many horror stories. The procedure is way too unpredictable to recomend. Just because one person breezed through unscathed, doesn't mean others will too.
>100% correct again. Damn, those crazy pdocs should have their butts sued for malpractice. Openly frying peoples brains while all the time having knowledge of such atrocities.... shame on them all!
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> Statistically, the relaspe for ECT is very high.
>Hmm, I feel very lucky surviving such a barbaric torture treatment. I now understand how Micky felt when he escaped death in that horrific trap!
> Even Sakiem (who has stock in ECT machiene companies) admits a 70+% relapse rate within a year of treatment.
>Well then, Mr. Sakiiem should have a recheck on his scruples. Next time you're talking to him, you can tell him I lost a boat-load in the "Magic Bean for Depression" stock. There was so much convincing evidence that the medication was a clear winner. Studies indicated thousands upon thousands of happy mice???
I'll be back in September to see how you're doing. I have lots going on this summer so let me know if I miss anything over the next couple of months.
Keep smiling....or say cheese.
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