Posted by bulldog2 on April 16, 2010, at 15:35:56
In reply to Re: ultram, really... » ed_uk2010, posted by floatingbridge on April 16, 2010, at 14:52:47
> Well, this one has effexor-like properties. That's why I would consider it--my pdoc suggested it as an option. I'd jettison my pristiq.
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> I still don't know....
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> Thanks for weighing in Ed!
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> > I agree. Opioids can certainly produce euphoria in the short term but they are not antidepressants in the long term.
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> > > I don't think you're nuts. I have only second hand knowledge on this so take that FWIW.
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> > > I know of two folks who have tried the opioid route to improve mood and functioning. Both had great results.... INITIALLY - around three months. After that, a tolerance issue came into play and the opioid use became chasing the original great results which were never achieved again even at higher more frequent dosings.
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> > > I think it's a slippery slope for some. The idea of one individual over another being an opioid responder is an idea that is difficult for me to grasp. I believe the human brain - which we all have - IS opioid responsive.
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> > > I don't want to rain on your idea but I think caution is advised and my opinion is the use of these compounds should be monitored even when used in chronic pain management because their "road use" is likely filled with potholes that just add to problems. Big problems.
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>Ultram doesn't offer much in the way of euphoria as oppossed to some of the full agonists. It also has some true ad features. You have to learn not to chase the high on any opiate or stimulant and they still can do their job. Some people use these drugs responsibly over a long period of time. You have to monitor drug dosage. If one is constantly escalating the dose than it is time to get off the med.
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