Posted by bleauberry on December 28, 2009, at 18:36:02
In reply to Re: savella question, posted by kaylabear on December 28, 2009, at 18:20:43
Well, a little off-topic for this thread, but in the book Healing Lyme which focuses on herbal treatments to add to antibiotics or use as stand-alone protocols to replace them, the author says in his clinical experience the single best thing for depression, fatigue, and pain that he has seen over the years...even better than pharmaceuticals...is weekly Swedish massage. You are right though, that can cost some money. I think it is, what, $45 or so for an hour each week?
His second best success is with Siberian Ginseng tincture, not capsules, but that results don't begin for a couple months and really take 6 months.
And yes, norepinephrine can actually cause pain. I believe it is the balanced serotonin/norepinephrine that helps pain, not a focus on either one alone, and that this ratio will vary from person to person. Therefore no single drug will have the correct ratio of NE/5ht. That's when a combo like Nortriptyline/Zoloft looks real attractive, so one can manipulate the balance.
I also think the opioid peptides are big players, often overlooked. Easily boosted with LDN and/or D-phenylalanine. Side benefits are less brain fog and more energy and improvement of depression.
I question whether the pain in this particular thread is side effects. It might be direct effects, as in inflammation, infection, deficient opioids. It might be side effects, but it might not.
Anyway, just wanted to comment on the massage thing. The author also said it is the most difficult thing to convince patients to do because they are so skeptical it would work.
> Savella would be a good one to try since it acts so differently than many of the others.
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> Just to let you know-Effexor caused extreme muscle tension in my back/neck which led to pain 24/7. Of course, anxiety could cause this too. But how long have you had those particular somatic effects? Could that be a side effect from the meds you take?
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> Norepinephrine can cause pain:
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> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC65524/
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> Maybe a one hour body massage might be the ideal thing for you at the moment! I strongly believe in regular massages and wish I could afford it. Massage also helps for fatigue. Anytime I have received one in the past I felt the energy flowing through my body afterwards-probably more from circulation-but it sure wakes you up! Also, Reiki will unblock trapped energy. I could not believe how 1 reiki session affected me-I saw all kinds of colors, with my eyes closed, by the end of the session.
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> This stuff is so unobtainable for those who cant afford it. Hope its an option for you.
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> Hope you feel better soon
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