Posted by pedr on September 9, 2009, at 14:52:34
In reply to Re: Nardil crash @ 60mg, posted by bleauberry on September 9, 2009, at 10:28:12
> It was around a full moon. I know it sounds ridiculous on the surface, but from now on keep a diary of what happens in the days leading up and after a full moon. Maybe a connection maybe not. But when you are feeling vulnerable and looking for an answer, everything should be suspect. Nothing can be ruled out until it is definitively proven to be ruled out. Ask any emergency room nurse or physician if they see increased mental illness traffic around a full moon and they will yes, "Big time, and we schedule extra staff during the full moon to handle it."
does sound ridiculous ostensibly but you're right, never rule anything out until you've tested it. I already keep a detailed log of my depression and IBS-C and so this should be easy to retroactively process.
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> As you are probably aware, there has been enough anecdotal evidence on Nardil's new formula to be suspect of one batch verses another, or even suspect quality within the same batch. This probably does not apply, but I was just wondering if maybe you had just started a new bottle of Nardil, or it had been exposed to unusual heat or moisture or something?Good suggestion but no, I hadn't started a new supply and it's sitting in the bathroom as usual. I should probably move it out if heat&moisture can be a problem?
> From what I gather at forums that talk about Nardil, one of the primary suspect things that changed with the new formulation are the ingredients that were related to absorption...speed, availability, etc. I wonder if maybe there aren't certain foods that might interfere? Just an idea. Probably a wild guess, but hey, easy enough to diary and see.
Interesting. I used to keep a food log when my IBS-C was much worse but I no longer do. Perhaps I can start that off again. I also take 300mg Zantac. Sometimes with the Nardil and sometimes hours beforehand. I should probably not take it at the same time as the pH will be different depending on when I took the Zantac.
> Other than those things, depression is an ongoing non-static syndrome. It is in motion. Doesn't stand still. Fluctuations. It is my feeling that most depressions have an underlying physical cause. The right meds are able to make bridges over roadblocks, or new paths around a dam, etc. But maybe if the underlying problem is still undetected and still advancing, at some point the med becomes vulnerable of not doing enough to overcome that roadblock? And during a time when the underlying problem happens to be on a temporary upswing in power, the med just falls short. It works good enough again when things calm down. The hard part is finding out what is it under the surface in the body that is doing it.Agreed. However I'm pretty good at detecting what beliefs are getting me down (and I have plenty). Also, when I feel a very bad person from beliefs I hold, that feels completely different to the sort of "chemical" (I hate using that word but can't think of any better) or biological depression I felt at the weekend. The kind of incredibly powerful depression you feel in your gut and heart, that makes you want to curl up and disappear.
Thanks for the interesting suggestions.
Pete
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