Posted by yxibow on April 4, 2009, at 13:43:17
In reply to Re: Barbiturates for insomnia » yxibow, posted by metric on April 3, 2009, at 16:23:43
> > Despite the rant, chronic insomnia is a condition that affects millions of people. I for one know that it is probably one piece of the very intricate disorder I have.
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> Insomnia sucks. There is nothing good about insomnia. Where did I imply otherwise?
Only adjunct about the anti-psychiatry comments when in fact insomnia fits right into a substantial diagnoses.I'll give you that.
> > It affects anxiety, depression, EPS and side effects -- the lack of sleep interferes and can increase those disorders.
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> > I wouldn't just snub it off like that, but you're entitled to your own opinion. I know personally I don't like being an insomniac.
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> Please show me where I trivialized insomia.
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> > As for "as it was a century ago", people were selling heroin, cocaine, anything, you name it, over the counter. Do you really think in a society where medicine has rapidly expanded health you would want readily available hard drugs OTC ?
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> I'm sorry, that reads as a non sequitur to me. Societies in which medicine has "rapidly expanded health" have an increased need for prohibition?
Yes. in certain cases -- I think our "war on drugs" is a waste on time when we should increase our "war on guns" -- but modern knowledge has said also that drinking bottle after bottle of heroin snake oil syrup just might perhaps create some addiction problems, just to name a hundred examples.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should criminalize marijuana, some light drugs and esoteric 'entheogens', etc -- but this "modern society", yes, has plenty examples such as e.g., the misuse and bad timing of hard drugs causing crack babies to be born from addiction.
> > Oh, and about a century ago 20 million people died of the flu around 1915-1920.
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> > There were no antibiotics, at least none you would want unless you wanted to play russian roulette with sulfa drugs.
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> > No MRIs, polio, malaria, a lot of diseases were rampant in 'modern' countries.
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> > Yes, people were stylin' in the roaring 20s in some ways like rebirths of fun and debauchery in recent times.
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> You've lost me completely. Perhaps English is not your native language? That would explain a lot. I mean that innocently.
I actually don't believe you mean that the way you say you do but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't seen that I've been a poster here for years and it has been obvious that I've said I've been in the US.
I write colloquial, if not somewhat rambling responses in NEAT paragraphs that may take a second reading to understand the underlying implications........and yes, most definitely American English IS my first language and I can even understand Canadian, British, and Australian surprisingly (humour to this bollocks), not to mention some knowledge of other languages.
My whole point there was to illustrate that looking back a century through rosy lenses eliminates what were SERIOUS problems and people did not -necessarily- have a life expectancy of 78 (in developed regions) unless they managed to escape flu, terrible diseases that are now vaccinated against, etc.
> > But if one thinks psychiatry is still fraught with problems, which it is, because while we have a lot of tools, it is still in some ways in the 'middle ages' -- try living then.
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> Psychiatry doesn't have *any* tools (at least not in the sense you intend). I don't regard psychiatry as a legitimate branch of medicine.This is where we are getting to the crux of things -- anyone is entitled to their opinion, but there has been an increased amount of anti-psychiatry threads on this board over the years I've been here.
Why are people in the -medicine- board if they don't like medicine in the first place ?
Again, each to their own.
> > There was nothing but asylums, misunderstanding at best, and rough and inhumane at worst.
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> In other words, like it is now, sans the drugs.No. Hardly. Try living with a psychiatric disorder for 7 years that NOBODY has and at least some medication and much therapy (if you think psychology is legitimate, I'm not going to get into another argument)...
...and you'll know what it feels like to be alone and what feels like inhumane is really anger against something that can't be solved yet, maybe not even in my own lifetime.
Yes, part of this is -personal-, but what part of humanity isnt?
And try living, even now, in a situation where biological imbalances, mental illness, are labeled still all sorts of things despite organizations like NAMI attempting the otherwise.I'm not a 'fruitcake' or a 'wacko' or 'crazy' or deserving of 1940s insulin shots.
- Jay
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