Posted by myco on March 28, 2009, at 15:07:06
In reply to Re: social anxiety vs. AvPD » myco, posted by Vincent_QC on March 28, 2009, at 14:10:02
> "Did you take any benzos now??? Or did you had an addiction to them before and succeed to stop them now?"
I take restoril occasionally but have recently been taking it more often due to serious lung illness since I need to sleep to get well. I had to get this med from another dr....my gp hates them and wont use at all with me...I think it may have something to do with my past substance abuse problems...he may be affraid I will get addicted but i dunno....he just doesnt like many medications. He is a "minimalist" if you know what I mean...the less meds in a patient the better.
>"I was drinking tons of vodka and beers on it also...it's worse my alcohol problem at the time"
I am recovering alcoholic...I used to use drugs and alcohol as a means of self medicating my anxiety since no dr would treat me properly with proper meds for anxiety. Was a horrible situation to get into since alcohol works great initially but then spend a year or so drinking a bottle of vodca or gin almost every night and you end up very depressed and angry...then do to much cocaine over time (works good to start for anxiety) but then you develop psychosis and paranoia horribly. I will never touch booze again since it led me in that direction. Drug use almost killed my spirit - my very sole or personality. You become empty inside, devoid of any positive emotional at all.
>"That's really strange, I hate the Valium now...I was put on it to gradually stop the benzos drugs...the famous Dr Ashton method..."
You should stop or do your best to stop. Try a different mabye...restoril is related to valium...it's a derivative or metabolite I believe. Seems, to me, better cleaner feel than valium but still suffers from the normal benzo problems. I prefer it to klon or xanax...but it still depresses me the next day after sleep...I dont like benzo's so far...mabye there is one out there that isnt depressing for me I dunno. I would need a different dr to experiment this way. Sometimes I feel so left out and jealous of many of you people on this board...you have good pdocs who allow you to suggest ideas and work with you towards your making you the best they can....for me I've almost always had to fight with family dr's for any kind proper anxiety treatment....they dont like to treat this condition with meds, most of them....thats what led me to alcohol in the begining. I remember having a comvo with a fam dr in vancouver regarding this very thing...my alcohol abuse did not phase him at all and he remained against proper anxiety meds despite my plea to help me stop self medicating. I wish general physicians were better educated...ignorance and closing doors on treatment options for patients is no way to practice medicine, in my opinion.
>"I know it's not comming from my anxiety level, since I don't live anything new in my life, no new stressfull situation, nothing..."
I understand but anxiety and panic is running through your veins anyway Vince....situations no longer matter...your head and body are in a high state of anxiety at all times and will occasionally manifest itself with strange, often painful and difficult to explain, physical issues.
Also and I know this mould be really tough to do...you sound like perhaps you are in medication burnout...to many meds to often for too long has begun to take its toll on your body and mind...a break mabye, if you can...i dont know how you would do that though...hospitilize yourself mabye for awhile to "get clean", so to speak, then start again monotherapy after a few months. I can imagine remnents of past medications still in your system producing odd side effects and negative interactions with one another. Youve probably not given your head enough time to clear all that stuff out. My preference is always monotherapy but seems no drug provides max benefit in monotherapy alone...nardil has comes the closest to this for me and I'm greatful to have the the chance to try this med knowing how family dr's are here in canada...i got very very lucky to use it.>"I need the Marplan so bad..."
I am excited for you here...I am awaiting with antipation to see how you respond to Marplan...you deserve a good med. I know virtually nothing of this med and am very curious about it.
myco---------------------------
> Hi Myco,
> Happy to sse that you're seem to feel good ;-)
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> Did you take any benzos now??? Or did you had an addiction to them before and succeed to stop them now? Since I was switch from the Rivotril to the Valium (The Rivotril was not working on me after less than 1 year, even at 8mg/day...it was like sugar pills for me...I was drinking tons of vodka and beers on it also...it's worse my alcohol problem at the time...but at the end, even at 8mg I had no relieve of my anxiety, social or general but also no side-effects at all at this high dose, no sedation, nothing at all...they just stop working that's it...), so the Doc change it for the Valium...since then...the headache seem to got worse...First, the Valium is more sedative...Second, it have a lot of active metabolites inside who make it really hard on the system...sometimes, you increase the dose one day because you feel worse one day and you feel the effect only 2 or 3 days after... That's really strange, I hate the Valium now...I was put on it to gradually stop the benzos drugs...the famous Dr Ashton method...1mg cut week...but that'S never happen , even after 2 years...i'm stuck at 20-30mg/day since then...
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> But like I was writing much earlier, since 1 1/2 weeks, I have a really weird sensation inside my head...I know it's not comming from my anxiety level, since I don't live anything new in my life, no new stressfull situation, nothing... I had some bad moments and more stressfull moments in my life since 2 years and I never had this strange sensation...Yes, I had the regular headache you talking about, the ones related with the panic attacks, the rise of the anxiety in social situation, things like this...but the continious pain in the middle of my head, like someone push my brain with his 2 hands...never...and I know what my anxiety can do on me and i'm sure that cant be linked to this!!!
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> Another point, before, I also often feel this strange pain, but when my brains was craving for more benzos drugs...so I was increasing my daily dose of Valium...and the pain dissepear....but now, I increase the dosage to 30mg and the pain stay at the same level and the more late it is at night, the more painfull it is... and no painkiller remove this pain...Advils, Tylenols, Aspirins, Motrins...I try everything...even the ones with codeine inside... The pain stay there...I get up in the morning and it's still there...
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> This pain appear 1 1/2 weeks after I stop the Clomipramine...after 3 weeks on it at 50mg...I stop cold turkey...I had also 3 days of Nortiptyline at 20mg...but too much high pulse rate so I stop... I'm also out of money since the day the mysterious pain begin...so maybe it's the anxiety??? You see i'm confusing a lot...
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> I don't know what to do... One thing is sure...I need a change of benzos, since the Valium is not appropriate for me now...the metabolites make it for me too much sedative and make me more depress with a more pronounced lack of motivation... I don't want also to fall again on the high addictive stuff like Xanax...who make me hospitalised last summer for high addiction... or the Ativan, who is not really good for panic disorder and is also a lot sedative... I need something more balanced like the Bromazepam... but that's not a lot used in those day...so I don't know if the new PDoc will say yes for it...or just say again that he don't want to change my Valium because anyway I have to come off of them because it's just b*llsh*t and make my state worse!!!
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> I need the Marplan so bad... why they cannot give me an answer more faster... I just loose my time wating...and wating...that's so stupid...anyway...
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