Posted by Vincent_QC on January 4, 2009, at 15:48:50
In reply to Re: MAOIs - do they affect your iron level? » Vincent_QC, posted by Mickapoo on January 4, 2009, at 14:01:29
> Thanks Vincent, very helpful! I'll be changing to Parnate this coming week.
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> How long have you been on Parnate now? Just wondering how long it will be before you (hopefully) see a really great response to your social phobia.
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> I don't know about you, but in the beginning on Nardil, I had that wonderful period of time that a lot of people talk about where you have all this energy, are in a better mood, etc.. I was so happy when that happened. I thought that's the way it would stay. And then as quickly as it came, it went away, and I was back to being depressed or indifferent at times.
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> Did you experience that effect with Parnate in the beginning? Where you had a lot of energy and were in a better mood overall? And then it just went away after you were on it a little while?
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> Thanks!
> 'Poo
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>HI Mickapoo!
Hummm I don't want to make you feel like you will take a bad decision from changing to the Parnate, especially since you told me that you had a temporary answer on your social phobia and others things on the Nardil...but in general yes, I had more energy at the begining and a more good mod level in general...and it's now return to a 0 level...I'm on the Parnate since the 7th december if I well remember, not sure when was my last psychiatrist appointment...but since i'm on the Parnate, except at extreme low dose 10-20mg/day, I never feel the stimulant effect of it or the euphoria some people are talking about, or the insomnia. Others Parnate users here seem to have all this kind of small remission period with elevated mod level and euphoria states and well being state also, but it's seem to fade away fast...
For me, since a couple of days, I have a lot of energy slumps, I feel the need to sleep all the times, I feel like I just do 3 hours of physical exercices without I move anything on my body...
Yes, I see a little improve on my social phobia, panic disorder and agoraphobia, very little, but it's more a "I don't care about the others" attitude than a real interest to interract socially with the others person I don't know. I think the fact that I had too much problem with each incresement I do, especially the 30mg to 40mg, the hypertension problem, now the low blood pressure and orthostatic hypotension problem take all the place in my life. I forget to care about the others...
I have a most high energy level in the morning, so I can stay awake...open my laptop and do my things...I clean up the house, do my laundry and things like that, but around noon, I already take 30mg of Parnate and I feel so tired that I can't resist and I have to jump in my bed to sleep.
In the end of the afternoon I need coffee more than ever to stay awake. Some people claims that (Wake up" pills of Caffeine pills are more powerfull than coffee and give to them a boost of energy but I can't tolerate them, they increase my general anxiety...Regular coffee give me some energy and help me to recover from the energy slumps I experienced especially in the evening and the end of afternoon. With that small energy, I can take my shower and get ready to go out the house. I normally go out of the house more in the evening, go to a friend house, go to the stores buy what I need, things like that...
I see another kind of improve in the fact that before I had to put a lot times in my preparation on me before I go out...I don't know how to call this in English, but I had to look at myself in the mirror a lot of times and make sure everything was ok...sometimes more than 1 hour...now I take a short shower, put the clothes I see first, I don't care about my hair, I just go out the house like i'm suppose to be, natural. Another time, is it a good effect get by the Parnate or it's just because i'm too lazy now to care about this? I don't know.
For now, I don't understand why they call the Parnate a stimulant drug, cause it's certainly not, in my case. For the Euphoria state found in the increasement of the dose that some people experience, I never felt it. I never also feel the improve from my depression, I don't find things in my life more interresting, I lack a lot of motivation, I feel sad often. No pills help me with that issue...and I try all of them except 3...(Manerix, Cymbalta, Geodon).
I read a lot of post here about Parnate and people talk about remission, about feeling a well being surround them, the energy level getting extremely high... I just wait to this to happen to myself...
I wonder if it's normal to be at 40mg and feel nothing except energy slumps, orthostatic hypotension and hypertension? Maybe I put too much pressure on me and I have too much hope on the Parnate, maybe I have to get my body used to it and maybe it will make THE good effect on me in a couple of weeks only...but what I know for now is that i'm tired to wait to see some improvents and to feel only the side-effects...I begin to think it will be another MAOI's failure story...(Negative think here sorry...)
On the Nardil, at 90mg/day for 3 months I never had a remission of any of my problems, like you seem to experience...I had the same kind of energy slumps, but it was worse...but socially, I was not more interrested in metting new people or I didn't find it more easy to eat in a mailshop or in a restaurant, especially alone, or just do my littles things alone outside the house and have to talk with some people I meet...
So well, I hope I don't break your dream...it's just my experience. I felt a remission on my social phobia only on the Rivotril but for a couple of months (3 months in 2005) , before I get addicted to it and had to double the dosage, triple the dosage and to end up at an extreme high dosage that never work again...8mg/day...
Maybe the Parnate will kick soon, maybe for you it will be a miracle drug, I hope so!!!
I know that I meet my family doctor this week and we will have a bog talk about it, all the side-effects, the dose I take, if I should augment it more fast or slowly, if it's normal to feel little to no improve, except for the small improves on social phobia, panic disorder or insomnia...
I will keep you inform on this ok !!!
For now, keep faith, i'm sure everything will fine, Parnate is not more difficult to take than the Nardil, no more side-effects, they just come at a more low dose than the Nardil...30mg Parnate = 90mg of Nardil for me...in term of side-effects profile and tolerance...
Ho and I forget...I have a lot of pain in my muscles...if I climb stairs or take a walk, I become tired very fast and my muscles burns. I feel also always like it's cold, even if the heating is put at the maximum...Normally i'm the first to find that it's too hot...
Take care of you ok!
Bye!
Vincent!!!
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