Posted by cumulative on October 21, 2008, at 2:45:11
In reply to Re: Need Help Obtaining Suboxone, posted by cowan78 on October 20, 2008, at 2:16:56
There are several long-time posters here who have had magnificent results from buprenorphine, often after running out of other options to try. And many of them have not found tolerance/dependence to be a problem (the reasons for this are debated), or to be less of a problem than other opioids or even other agents they have tried , such as withdrawal-heavy SNRIs -- e.g., I know of several posters who drop in occasionally with continuing good results who have been taking buprenorphine for depression, at a stable low dose, for 5+ years. Perhaps your personal experience with opioids has been different, but this is not a reason to respond in this way to anyone.
Your abusive, intolerant tone in this thread is NOT appreciated by people at the dr-bob forums.
Abusing someone for knowing a lot about opioid science is also extremely unnecessary. It is EXCELLENT when patients inform themselves of the issues at hand.
"if it were an kappa agonist, youd throw yourself off the nearest bridge as soon as it hit youd be so insane"
Incorrect. Some kappa agonists (i.e. salvinorin) seem to have a certain breed of psychedelic effects (which are not analogous to insanity, and also you should be ashamed of yourself for the suicide imagery) but note that "classic" opiates and opioids: morphine, oxycodone, etc. are all also kappa agonists in addition to their mu affinity. Many of the intricacies of the mechanisms in question are still fairly mysterious.
"take some prozac and exercise. Boom, got your enkaphalins your so convinced you need from narcotics."
Boom ... No. While helpful, the results that one can get from exercise are not equivalent either in magnitude or exact makeup as an opioid depression treatment. I believe you understand this. Again, your tone is unnecessary.
"because I will never condone opiate use for depression, no matter what you think you know. "
Fortunately, you do not seem to be in charge here.
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