Wow! Excellent point » Crotale

Posted by Racer on June 2, 2008, at 21:00:55

In reply to Re: Thank you for your input » Racer, posted by Crotale on June 2, 2008, at 18:15:47

> \> It's funny -- I really do know people who swear it gave them their lives back. And I've known people who swear it ruined their lives.
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> I wonder if some of the side effects people report might result from the anaesthesia rather than the ECT itself.
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> Crotale
That's a great point. I'm trying to remember -- but I think the biggest ECT booster had it done in 2005, and most others earlier...
Honestly, though, I've attributed some of the face to face accounts of "ruined" lives to the underlying disorder. Those I've known both before and after were people who always struck me as suffering from something beyond depression. I hate saying that, but I truly believed them to be unlikely to benefit, because none of them were willing to examine whether there was anything at all in their behavior which might contribute to their condition. That's not the Bootstrap argument, by the way. I absolutely believe that depression is biological. I also believe that, as a result of depression, many of us learn behaviors which don't do us any good -- and that the best outcome results from exploring whether there are behavioral treatments which might augment either ADs or ECT/TMS/etc. (And when I say "behavioral treatment," I don't mean CBT per se. I only mean treatments other than the medical. Therapy of various sorts, exercise, changing careers, whatever it might be...)
(Man, I hope that makes sense and doesn't leave anyone feeling offended. If you do feel offended, please understand that I'm extrapolating from my own experience -- I *know* that no drug alone will fix my problem, because there are psychological issues that have resulted from the trauma, anxiety, and depression. As well as finding an effective biological treatment, I know that I have to work on those issues.)
Thanks for the comment -- it does bring up a very interesting point. Be interesting to see a study, huh?

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Re: Same Depression Program As Above ECT Works 80% » bulldog2 Phillipa 5/31/08
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Re: Same Depression Program As Above ECT Works 80% » bulldog2 IAMtheWalrus 5/31/08
I'm curious, too, about the effects Racer 5/31/08
Re: Same Depression Program As Above ECT Works 80% bleauberry 5/31/08
Re: I'm curious, too, about the effects Justherself54 5/31/08
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ECT report » Racer Crotale 6/1/08
Re: ECT report blueboy 6/1/08
Re: ECT report bleauberry 6/1/08
Thank you for your input » blueboy Racer 6/2/08
Re: Thank you for your input » Racer Crotale 6/2/08
Wow! Excellent point » Crotale Racer 6/2/08
Re: ECT report » Crotale Zeba 6/2/08
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Re: Wow! Excellent point » Racer Zeba 6/2/08
Re: Wow! Excellent point linkadge 6/3/08
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