Posted by steel on June 16, 2007, at 10:21:37
In reply to Re: Emsam or Parnate: Which is better for SA? » steel, posted by Malcolm664 on June 15, 2007, at 23:55:46
Sure without being in a spot where i can gather solid info,which i can promise later,a lighter reason for some of what you asked would be....
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> I did some research on the google about deprenyl and I'm not sure I understand what the difference is between the liquid and the Emsam patch.Yess and before the patch even was a idea,there were the standerd tabs here in U.S.Liquid deprenyl is deprenyl yess in a base liquid of i believe citrus acid,not sure exact.HOWEVER even before the patch there was a big believe which you can find spoken of a LOT in google groups,where the liquid held high value as a cognitive aid,anti agining aid,and moderate anti depressant......opposed to the tab which most users posted was simply inferior to the liquid.
The google group SMART DRUGS AND NUTRIENTS has many archived discussions on this,ones that also get into the technical reasons why this is,ones i dont know unless i paste them,either way it was the liquid deprenyl that was considered any worth.
The liquid is available easly and legaly just not approved here yet.I dont know if this same theory exsisted with the patch as it did with the tab vs liquid scenerio.
I have used both,and i agree with them,the capsules were light and not effective,where as i found the liquid to be VERY stimulating just to expensive for me to continue.
Do a search where you lock it in the google group only,they get pretty technical and usualy answer most loose ends.Sorry i cant at this moment be more technical.
They're both the same as the drug selegine, right? Is the liquid version even available?
Legaly available yess,FDA approved,NO not here but used extenivsly throughout the world.
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> And what's a reversible MAOI? Can you clarify?
Pretty much what it says,meaning the maoi affect is not kinda LOCKED in but needs to be re created through daily dosing.Also means they are usualy more forgiving.
Molcimide as you probuably know is a known reversable one,parnate is not as clear,and there was a case study that said it was shown to be,i seen this mentioned a few times,which would mean the maoi activity would not last long if the drug was discontinued.
Most standerd data sheets however list it as irreversable.
Nardil is a strong IREVERSABLE one,it slowly builds up,and its effect takes time off the drug to slowly reverse itself.This makes for a better drug as far as missing a dose etc,but also makes for harsher restrictions and wasout periods.
>> And also, I'm not sure I understand your statement above about "parnate and deprenyl provide a more confidence building effect over a DESIRE to interact i believe". Seems to me that confidence is confidence and we're really splitting hairs if both drugs are confidence boosters then whatever self confidence you develop as a result will help improve your interactions with practically everyone.
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> MalcolmWell what i notice is a more stimulating mood elevating effect,where i might have with the help of depression be barly mobile,begin to self loath,loose confidence and worth,and other known classic examples of depression.
Parnate/deprenyl is like a kick in the A-- you might begin to come alive out of your hidden shell,and usualy become more productive and creative,even possably still having the depression but feeling enough inner strentgh to push it aside and be productive and desire to live.
Nardil would provide these aspects as well,however the gaba increasing effect might for some go a step further and actualy give one a strong desire to become social,somewhat similiar to alcholol.
I guess a way to look at it would be in illegal terms,similiar in a small way to the high a cocke user gets in contrast to the hig a coke user drinking as well would get.
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