Posted by yxibow on March 12, 2007, at 1:22:14
In reply to Depression and the Human Givens Institute, posted by FredPotter on March 11, 2007, at 22:58:13
> According to them it's got nothing to do with the brain:
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> http://www.hgi.org.uk/archive/Depression.htm[personal view]
I question their views on schizophrenia, they seem to go completely against logic and what we know from imaging and the past 50 years of peer reviewed work.
The place seems to be run by the "Mindfields College"
They're happy to take your VISA or Mastercard
http://www.hgonline.co.uk/FMPro?-db=HG_Orders.fp5&-format=hgonline/shop/home.htm&CoCode=HG&-new
I can't seem to find any link to Scientology through deep IP searching -- they are crafty. Mindfields is supposedly "accredited"
Then we jump to a UK-Australia connectionhttp://www.keycapability.co.uk/
"Money, while extremely important, is not strongly linked to happiness as it does not enrich our moral or intellectual sense.""Sessions are based on a £50 (Aus$100) per hour format, with student and other concessions based on £25 per hour.
Travel involved in home visits in the Cambridge area is costed at 50p mile."[I guess money is important.]
Blog discussions:http://experimentalchimp.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/more-on-human-givens/
http://experimentalchimp.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/looking-at-the-human-givens/#comment-494[More money]
http://www.mindfields.org.uk/?pid=61
If you want to be part of their philosophy for about 2500 quid you can be one...
[Hmm... more] http://www.professionalcounselling.co.uk/natural_treatment_depression.html
"Taking antidepressants prescribed by your GP may increase your sense of helplessness, rather than increase your sense of control/volition."[personal aside]
WTF? Taking Cymbalta has prevented me somewhat from offing myself.
http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/Treating_Depression/dep_med.htm
"Other, alternative treatments such as cognitive behavior therapy, have been shown to have 70% better success rate at beating depression for good. In other words, they have been shown to prevent relapse in 70% more cases than drugs.But this is obvious! Unless, of course, you consider the cause of depression to be a chemical imbalance. Which we know it is not, in the majority of cases. (See earlier in the Depression Learning Path.)"
http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/program.html
[personal comment]
Ah here we go, learn depression for $97 with your credit card.
[well they seem to have pushed their way into a peer reviewed journal]Doing what needs to be done: A respectful response to Burnard and Grant
Journal of Psychiatric and Mental Health Nursing 9 (2), 232–236.
[personal aside]I don't know, all I know is there are a lot of interconnecting websites if you dig further through google, all promoting curious at times and completely batty at others [personal opinion] "alternative views", including the perennial argument, which they do not believe in the brain model of depression when of course the scientific community has pet and spect scans galore not to mention genetic studies of depression in families (I can look at my own...)
So, what do I say, well if you want to believe this, go ahead... I think there's someone making plenty of money though, the two "heads" of the institute.
-- tidingsJay
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