Posted by LlurpsieBlossom on December 14, 2006, at 8:56:50
In reply to Re: Klonopin + caffeine +Alcohol - input sought » LlurpsieBlossom, posted by yxibow on December 14, 2006, at 3:39:36
> > Theophylline is the reason why dogs and cats cannot eat large amounts of chocolate and live to tell about it.
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> Actually its theobromine. There is no theophylline in chocolate, it is found in (real) tea (Camellia sinensis var.). Theobromine is strongest in unadulterated raw cocoa powder and dark chocolate.Oops. This is what happens when I'm too lazy to do research and rely on my memory instead. Thank you for correcting me.
> But you're right -- the LD50 is much lower for a variety of animals because they can't metabolize it:
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine_poisoning
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> Similarly caffeine is lethal to humans but in an extraordinary, rare, and insane amount. No comment on this for obvious reasons.
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> -- tidingsgood tidings to you yxibow :)
I have a question regarding these psychoactive xanthines, but I should probably go to the alternatives board. Since I've got your attention though, I'm going to ask it here, and hope that no one redirects me before I get some feedback.
I'm a big fan of yerba mate. I have read a lot about it, and it seems to have stimulant qualities, but (to me anyways) is less stimulating than coffee. Is there truly a unique xanthine called "mateine" or is it just caffeine? I find it fascinating that humans have found these diverse plants (cocoa, holly(mate), coffee, camilias...) and cultivated them for their psychoactive properties. really amazing.
all hail the Xanthines! :)
-Ll
p.s. fortunately the dosages that make us *feel* horribly sick are nowhere near the dosages that actually cause physical damage.
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