Posted by ronaldo on December 7, 2006, at 6:52:13
In reply to Re: Comments about Adrafinil Zyprexa blueberry, posted by blueberry on December 6, 2006, at 18:50:56
> Howdy Ronaldo,
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> I'll try my best to answer your questions.
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> I stopped adrafinil after one week, starting at 150mg working up to 450mg. I was having such hard time withdrawing from zyprexa and still am (10 years on it), that inner tension and restlessness from zyprexa was already intense and even just a quarter cup of coffee was way too much for me. However, the first day I did get immediate adrafinil antidepressant and energy effects. If I run into a really bad day like suicidal or something, adrafinil could save my life. I am hanging on to my pills for another time after zyprexa is gone.Hi blueberry, sorry to hear that the Zyprexa has sabotaged your Adrafinil schedule. The Zyp can be a bit awkward to get off. I've done it once after being on 5 mg for four years but even when I was down to zero Zyp it still wouldn't let me go. Eventually I had to concede defeat and go back to 10 mg. Zyp 1 ronaldo 0.
Last time the waters were a bit muddied as I was also trying to make Seroquel work for my sleep. That was the worst s/e of coming off the Zyp: really obstinate insomnia. This time I am going to be more careful - especially going from 2.5 mg down to 0 mg. That is still a way off. I am only down to 5 mg now. I've got some 7.5 mg that I will cut in half to give me 3.75 mg which I will take between the 5 mg and the 2.5 mg. Then I will cut the 2.5 mg in half and that should take me down to zero.
I hope you have better success than my last attempt blueberry. Remember take your time and don't turn your back on the Zyprexa - he's a nasty customer. Hey, we may come off the Zyp at about the same time and then we could start the Adrafinil together. But you have a big lead on me, but then you also have 10 year history...
> Just as happened last time I took it, I got immediate benefits the first day, which just turned into energy without the mood boost the second day. I would have had to wait probably 3 weeks for it to kick in.
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> I've been on 1.25mg zyprexa for 6 days now. The first couple days dropping from 2.5 to 1.25 were just aweful. It seems to be smoothing out a little bit now.
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> I don't know about the coating on zyprexa. I have not read anywhere that it has an enteric coating.Just been to see my GP. He reckons it is ok to cut the Zyp just use it fairly quickly after cutting it. I phoned my chemist and he said better to use it whole but I will take my doctor's word for it. Ed_uk also said cut the tablets and also said 2.5 mg to Zero is the hardest part.
Another good thing I won't have to get my Liver Enzymes checked as they were done when I last had my Lithium blood tests. I get my Lithium done every three or four months which will be fine if I stay on the Adrafinil. One thing I noticed there is a price tag with a bar code on the box of the Olmifon and it says 5.61 euros which is about £3.79 in English money - about $7.50 in your money. I guess that might be the cost price - the price at which it leaves France.
Can you remember how much you paid for your last box of 40 Olmifon? I paid about £20, roughly $40. I think I will take the ferry across to France and see if I can buy any there and how much it costs. It's manufactured in France so should be cheapish. Trouble is I might have to get a prescription.
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> I think liver tests about every 6 months are a good idea if a full dose of 900mg is taken. Previously when I took adrafinil I was at 600mg for a month or so and then dropped down to 300mg for maintenance and never had any problems over a few years.
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> For zyprexa withdrawals I guess you'll just have to feel it out. I think it is better to take the same size dose from day to day, rather than bouncing between 2.5 and 5. At least with me anyway. I seem so sensitive. I shave tiny crumbs off each day, so the dose is actually decreasing about maybe .05 to .10mg per day.
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> I've been on Kira brand St Johns Wort for 2 weeks now, starting at 150mg and I've been at 450mg for 3 days. Any higher than that I get real edgy and uncomfortable...likely the zyprexa withdrawals confusing things. I also started 300mg of Serenity brand lithium orotate a few days ago. Just yesterday and today for the first time I've actually sensed a hint of vague improvement, a slight smoothing out of my daily cycles, and even a few hours here and there of feeling fairly decent. It would be so very awesome if that trend would continue.
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> I hope this helps.Thanks blueberry. That helps a lot. I guess you have taken the Adrafinil with Lithium Carbonate without any complications. Do you just take the 300 mg of Lithium? I guess you may be Bipolar like me, though a good few pdocs had me down as schizo-affective disorder. I don't care really. I just hope this Adrafinil is going to make some difference to my life. But I want to get off the Zyp first.
I hope your Orotate continues to make you feel better. My GP was really cool about the Adrafinil. I thought he might throw a spanner in the works but everything worked out fine. Pity he couldn't understand the French on the patients leaflet, that would have been awesome.
ciao for now
...ronaldo
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