Posted by linkadge on November 3, 2006, at 18:46:01
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL...monotherapy for Depression?/Li » linkadge, posted by Lindenblüte on November 3, 2006, at 16:43:01
>I am not aware of these statistics. Could you >provide a citation? I'm not sure that I feel >comfortable arguing this point with you until >I've evaluated the research you refer to.
I'll babblemail you the link, since Dr. Bob banned the page because it has some links to how to obtain drugs without a prescription.
>yes, of course. good point. i'm biased in favor >of pharma and everything else I'm doing at the >moment since I am feeling a little better every >day. so, I may be the voice of ADDICTION, rather >than a sane voice of impartial reason.
I'm just saying that drugs (even prescription drugs) can be great till its time to come off. But then why would you want to come off it if its working right? Because it may stop working for you. Not saying it will. Just saying that this seems to happen to a lot of people thats all.
When people say, I know my drug was working because when I tried to come off I felt like crap. Well that logic only kindof works, since the brain recruits systems to oppose drug action when the drug is being taken. When the drug is discontinued, these systems work, unopposed for a period of time, leaving you with withdrawl which is hard to distinush from ones originial condition.>Tom Wolfe "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test". An >interesting example to throw some color into the >mix. I think it's interesting to >view "addiction" through a cultural lens. For >example, my friend G is terrified of becoming >dependent or addicted to any person or >substance.
Well, we're all addicted to something. It obviously creates a lot of confusion, and turmoil about the decision to take medications. If I could go back I woudn't have taken medications, but thats just because I still havn't learned to walk straight after discontinuing zyprexa + zoloft. Withdrawl was hell, and it lasted forever. For a long time, I was worse than before I started.
>I'm not sure if the drugs work for me. I suppose >I have been feeling more hopeful, and I'm able >to get more pleasure out of simple things like >food and sex and sunshine. These are all very >subtle things that unfolded over months. Months >that were accompanied by major lifestyle >changes, psycho-therapy, nutritional changes, >etc. And the meds are one piece of the puzzle. >I'm pretty sure that if I went off of them >>especially cold-turkey!) I would feel like >utter sh*t.
You might, and thats why its not my purpose to tell anyone what do do. I can tell people what I think, and how drugs affected me, but thats all.
For me, my life was crap. Drugs made me forget that for a little while, but my life is still crap, they did not change that.>I guess I'm hooked on water. ((((hydration)))). >I probably don't need to keep on increasing my >amount of water though, to feel satiated.
Its really about context. Take effexor withdrawl for instance. Effexor withdrawl for some, is so severe that it can ruin doctor patient relationships. When you take methamphetamines, it is very hard to believe that something that makes you feel so good, could be so bad. Its the same thing with antidepressants. They make you feel good, so the tendancy is to believe all the good stuff you hear, and discredit the bad stuff. If you ever decide to discontinue, then obviosly I hope you have a smooth transition, but that is the only context during which one can truely *sses the adiction potential (in my opinion).
>That's fine Linkadge, and I respect your candor. >Although I must admit that I was kind of shocked >by your opening sentence. A sick and twisted >depressed Li would view that as a "challenge". >Luckily I'm a well-hydrated, exercised, Omega->three-ed and cognitively stimulated Lindenbluete.
You must understand that I have these kind of debates all the time here on babble. With SLS, and others. I have nothing against you.
>And I'm really sorry to hear that the drugs did >not give you a long-term improvement. Sometimes >having an instability (getting better-getting >worse-getting better-getting worse) is more >damaging to the psyche that a low-level feeling >yucky. I hope you won't give up on other ways to >obtain relief- perhaps through lifestyle >changes, seeing a therapist or alternative >treatments.
Thats why I feel so bad about attacking drugs. When I do, I come across as some appologist for mental suffering. I don't want to see people in pain, and of course I want people to get better.
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