Posted by WeeWilly on August 20, 2006, at 12:11:53
In reply to Re: Mode of action could be quite helpfull, posted by Estella on August 19, 2006, at 19:22:38
> > I have enjoyed your posts.
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> Thanks. I've enjoyed yours too.
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> > It's apparent you and I have developed quite different view points on mental illness.
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> I'm not particularly sure that I have a view. It is something I'm interested in is all. So... Which of the following would you think are caused by neurological dysfunction:
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> - gambling
> - masterbation (that used to be in DSM remember)
> - homosexuality (that used to be there too)
> - substance use (tolerance / withdrawal)
> - dysthymia
> - dissociative identity disorder
> - schizophrenia
> - depression
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> and what do you mean by an inner neurological malfunction? do you mean that an inner neurological malfunction is the CAUSE of the behaviour (where the behaviour is what leads the person to be classified as having a mental disorder)? Is the inner malfunction the same within each individual? Does that mean that DSM categories are natural kinds? Or maybe you think there is a gene?
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> Hard to say but... Things aren't looking so promicing.
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> > Seeing a doctor of some kind is a big difficult step, if I remember right in my case( damn it's been a long time ago).
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> Sure, I understand that one.
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> > Many of us, don't respond to the medications available in the country we are in or from what the doctors we are seeing will prescribe.
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> So if meds don't work you conclude you haven't had the right meds. But if therapy doesn't work you conclude therapy is worthless for you. Why don't you go the same way regarding the utility of meds? Because of your views on neurological disturbance? Do you think it is a structural disturbance or a problem with neurotransmission? If it is structural then wouldn't brain surgery be more likely to assist than medications?
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> I'm sceptical that there is a marker within every individual. Not because of limitations on the state of our knowledge but because things just aren't that simple. There has been some stuff written on Anorexia. About whether the disorder is caused by neurological deficit or social factors. Seems to be fairly unanamous (though there are of course dissentors) that the neurological alterations (found within SOME individuals) are the result of starvation rather than the cause.
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> But perhaps medication is the cure for anorexia too?
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> (I'm not denying medication can help I'm just sceptical on it being the only or best way to go)
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> > I would'nt say is absolutely worthless, I would say its value is below things like good dental hygiene, sleep, diet, etc..
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> Well call me holistic, but I tihnk they are probably all fairly important.
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> Do you find benefit to talking to people here? Is its value below things like good dental hygene and the like?
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> > I wish alot of things were different with my conditions, for example I wish I could think my way into good mental health. It is not gonna happen. Bummer.
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> Do you think that is what I'm saying? That you can simply think your way into good health? That would be oversimplifying as much as my asking whether you mean to say that you can simply take a pill and be cured.
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> Both of those are too simple.
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> The med that worked out for three months then stopped...
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> What was happening in your life during the time it was working and... What changed just before / as it started to not work again?
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> Were there external stressors or something like that?
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>I don't have much use for the DSM. In an nutshell it's just goofy. For me, discourse on this site is not of help, its the information that people often convey about how medications effect them that has value.
I have used Parnate 3 months every year for about 20 years. It is very effective for this short time and allows me to keep my business afloat during our most hectic season.
We should be able to take a pill( appropriate medication) and be cured(have remission of problem causing symptoms). The mental health industry turns their failings around and blames the patient, claiming the patient is not trying to get well and other such nonsense. It appears that so many patients buy into that hogwash.
You asked what I meant by an inner neurological malfunction. Do not no! I never mentioned that term. Is there an outer neurological malfunction?
Individuals with quite similar symptoms can have very different causes for these symptoms. Cutting to the quick about my own disorder, I am quite certain the a key factor is a lack of sufficient production of Inhibin B in an enormous symphony of hormonal proteins that we all produce in a rythmic fashion throughout the day. It does'nt look like treatment to address this directly with be available to me for many years. I just have to keep tying things that make my existance bearable untill proper treatment is here.
Extrapolating from my own condition to other mental disorders, leads me to surmise that parts of endocrine systems, circadian rythyms, HPG axis, and hormonal proteins are probably overlooked(ignored) as keys to understanding the biochemistry of various disfunctions.
This is not my field and I do not want it to be. I just yearn for the day when many more in this field pull their heads out. Best wishes.
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