Posted by Paulbwell on June 16, 2006, at 15:20:03
In reply to Opiates for Depression - YAY!, posted by Hermit on June 16, 2006, at 14:49:30
Hi Ya,
Opiates/opioids are the original and best antidepressants. In fact, the tradition of antidepressants that began with imipramine (1958-OPIs and Amps, Amps+Barb combos) were routingly used before this, is more biopsychiatric sophistry than advance in treatment. Opioids are also much, much less toxic than the new drugs. People have been using opium poppy alkaloids for thousands of years. Aside from "dependence", (Paxil, Efferor are easy to get off for many??) there is virtually no risk, save overdose, which is honestly almost impossible to do unless you're using it intraveinously, or swallowing handfulls) (overdose is IMPOSSIBLE with buprenorphine). Unfortunately, I doubt--unless you have lots of money- or are famous (like Courtney Love, Rush Limbar, Ozzy- who were given Opi's) you will ever find a doctor to prescribe schedule II drugs--ESPECIALLY opioids--for depression. You DO NOT want to take Vicodin long-term because of the other TOXIC painkiller in it.
You may want to consider asking your doctor about buprenorphine/tramadol (or a better opioid) + stimulant (preferably dextroamphetamine), under the guise of treating your ADD. Stimulates potentiate the analgesic and antidepressant effects of opioids and also attenuate some of their adverse effects.
As a veteran of:
-Prozac
-Paxil
-Imipramine
-Serzone
-Celexa
-Effexorwith some pretty bloody horrible SEs from these (aside from ALL but Prozac working AT ALL), I have taken:
-MSIR, 20mg tabs, 60-80mgs
-Kapanol MS SR 20mg caps
-DHC 60mgSR tabs, 60-180mgs
-Codeine 60-400mgsAnd found that MS helped mood, somewhat sedating, Codeine i found good AD effects with, and added all day alertness and energy-like Oxy (apparently some Narcoleptics find it works), while providing a very good stress barrier, which i usually don't have.
My 2 Cents.
Cheers
poster:Paulbwell
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