Posted by yxibow on May 6, 2006, at 13:01:46
In reply to Re: MAOIs » yxibow, posted by ed_uk on May 6, 2006, at 10:15:21
> >Like Soy ___ (fill in the blank) for starters.
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> Certain soy products are contra-indicated with MAOIs, others are not.I know -- but its too hard for a vegetarian who eats products made from all parts of a soybean -- isolates, TVP, protein powder, tofu, soy sauce, teriyaki, edamame, yuba, okara, tempeh, etc. Not to mention nutritional yeast. Plus on top of this eating out at really nice restauraunts around here.
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> >I've found guaifenesin effective and dextromethorphan effective for coughs over what I would consider a placebo value
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> Mild coughs are self-limiting, giving the false impression of drug efficacy.
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> >I'm only saying I've gained some purpose from some OTC medications.
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> Some OTC medicines are very effective. I was just making a the point that cough medicines are not generally very helpful. Recovery occurs naturally but is attributed to the medication.Of course, that I agree with you. I have no ideation that DXM is going to "cure" my corona virus.
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> >codeine for euphoria
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> I find it somewhat mood elevating but non-sedating. It tends to make me want to exercise. You are making assumptions.Curious... well excercise is good as I know. Bleh, the cereal monster visited this morning. I always eat too much breakfast.
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> >habit forming
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> Rather like cider then......Mm... actually I haven't drunk much since I've been to the gym -- its added calories. But I do enjoy some cider now and then. No alcoholic here. I will admit I drunk myself under the table in college due to my homesickness and dysthymia and was the only time of twice I ever even marginally threw up in my life from alcohol. The sulfur dioxide doesn't help in a hangover either.
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> >trainspotting
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> I've seen it. As a film, it is intended to be very dramatic. Alcohol withdrawal is often more severe than opioid withdrawal - *many* people are addicted to alcohol.True on both counts.
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> >Now you're character assassinating me about the medication regime that I disdain, Ed, and that's not fair either.
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> I'm sorry that you thought that, it was not my intention. It was not me who brought up the subject of character assasination.I brought it up because I was deliberately trying not to hurt you and it got turned around. Anyhow, bygones.
> >banned it all over the US
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> LOL, I suppose what they do in the US must be right ;-)No -- not always. I still think codeine (with APAP or Ibuprofen to discourage morphine seeking) should still be sold with signing some federal book or something, but we're not a centralised country.
> >I think you're feeling hurt
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> Yes, I amI am sorry to hear that.
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> >"Hard drugs" - X, K, GHB, Crystal, Heroin, Cocaine -- bad. bad bad. Explosive buildings bad. Poverty and driveby shooting bad. All around bad.
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> You can't divide drugs into 'good' drugs and 'bad' drugs J. This type of oversimplistic classification reflects a lack of knowledge and understanding. Diamorphine (Heroin) and other potent opioids are very important drugs in the treatment of severe pain. Ketamine is used as an analgesic in emergency medicine. GHB (Xyrem) is used to treat narcolepsy with cataplexy. Cocaine is used during ENT surgery.
Again, this is all due to the re-cre-a-tional use of all above said medicines and I can divide soft use and hard use quite easily as already mentioned for use outside the medical establishment. There I believe I think you missed the point. I am talking about recreational use only of medications which this time I will use the word properly -- adult supervision, i.e. Schedule II injectable medications.
Heroin has no medical use in the US and is so banned for any use of it. There are plenty of morphine related narcotics available for pain management. I was not talking about pharmaceutical use, I was talking about so-called recreational use of it, which involves unclean needles, disease, and abject poverty and grand theft and so on.
Ketamine has use in veterinary medicine and pediatric anaesthesthisia. I was referring to the clandestine diversion of this drug to people I have known in the past who should know better than to crush, snort, chew, whatever, this substance under no supervision. Its horribly dangerous then. It is a chancy choice of anaesthetic even when used properly in a medical setting.
GHB has been recently reintroduced as Xyrem with very stringent guidelines. It is not childsplay and again, we're talking about diversion to recreational use which when combined with alcohol leads to coma and death. And has been used like other potent agents (yes, Valium and Ambien and other substances too, Ed, I'm not forgetting that...) to subdue individuals to do sexual harm to them.
Cocaine is used mostly only as a topical anaesthetic here and has largely been replaced by other synthetic drugs related to it. It is also schedule II because it can be diverted to largely "white collar crime" where people snort their noses into cartilage oblivion.
And finally, the explosion of your flat mate below or a fire that ruptures through a housing development because some organic chemistry people who should know damn better, are mixing up a pot of methamphetamines, is BAD. And unfortunately that has led to scheduling of pseudoephedrine which only hurts and insults the sinusitis sufferer.And if there is a final issue -- it is the use of unsterile needles to use these substances clandestinely, and the unknown content of "manufactured" exctasy which could contain other things besides MDMA including rat poison and drano or whatever else they have lying around to cheapen it.
So no, no hard drugs to people of any age, especially the young.
And "soft drugs" like marijuana, I have no issue with. The government here does. If it were regulated like tobacco you'd see far less automatic weapons fire against the public. You are lucky in the UK with strict guns laws, and Canada too. Here, well... we'll get arguments about the 2nd amendment which is a whole different boiling pot.
So that's my point -- recreational use of hard drug substances which leads to thousands of wasted dollars, grand theft, murder, etc, and legitimate medical uses.
Tidings-- Jay
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