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Re: Does Ectasy Cause Brain Damage and Depression?

Posted by Nickengland on September 30, 2005, at 17:19:31

In reply to Does Ectasy Cause Brain Damage and Depression?, posted by Phillipa on September 28, 2005, at 0:34:25

The thing is with ecstacy (MDMA) is what has already probably been said in this thread but i'll mention it again

:-) ~ When you take ecstacy (or any street drug) you never know what you are actually taking.

For example, ecstacy maybe produced in large "batches" by *chemists* lets say in this example that 10,000 pills are produced within this certain batch. These pills maybe considered high quality, as in they contain a high ratio of MDMA and little else other drugs mixed in.

Another *chemist* produces another "batch" of lets say 20,000 pills. These also contain MDMA, however the ratio and quality is not the same as the previous batch of 10,000. These also contain a fairly high ratio of amphetamine.... and maybe ketamine, perhaps also heroin just for good measure.

Lastly there is a *chemist* who produces an ecstacy tablet, which contains very little MDMA (he likes to cut his costs and make easy money like a cheap generic drug company lol)

Now, take a group of people who go out to take Ecstacy - which pill will they end up with in this example? One of three..perhaps they might even take a mixture of all three. Out of the group there is a death. How accurate can you see how the death would occur with the varying quaulity of drug? Was alchohol involved? Were other drugs involved, perhaps smoking cannabis, perhaps sniffing cocaine? Although the cause of death maybe considered to be because of MDMA its hard these days when people go out and take these drugs to firstly know what they were taking and would what actually cause the death eg if they didnt have that vodka and 2 beers would they have not died? Needless to say though, taking MDMA all by itself can kill.

One way which is can kill, can depend on how much water you drink. Not enough can kill you. But drinking too much can kill you also.....by drinking too much water when taking ecstacy you can cause you brain to swell inside your skull, you fall into a coma and die....this has happened. Another way is that basically the heart cannot control it and it virtually explodes.

If you speak to people who took ecstacy in the late 80's early 90's they will tell you it was very diferent (or different) from what it is like to take today. they will tell you it was far better back in the early 90's/late 80's. This shows the varying quality once again.

If you speak to people who took prozac back in the early 90's, the thing is the drug was just what it says it was ~ 20mg of fluoxetine, whereas esctacy ~ even though its MDMA, the formulation was different and is always changing depending on the batch.

Also back in the late 80's, early 90's people would generally only need to take 1 tablet. Now days people will go out and take 5 or 6. Again showing the difference in the quality.

Taking ecstacy, MDMA does something to the brain which in a sense you could say is damage depening on how you look at it. It will give you the happiest feeling of your life. The cost of that can be an after effect of depression lasting anywhere from up to a day to a week, not usually longer.

Some people however pick up a cigarette and within 6 months have cancer and die. Some smoke large amounts for 50 years plus and never even seem to have a cough and be as fit as a fiddle.

Likewise with ecstacy, they are some, they can take 1 single tablet and it could kill them then and there. At the same time this weekend in the UK hundreds of thousands of people will consume the drug and not be hardly effected from the after effects by monday morning and will repeat what they've done again in a week or 2, and these same people have been doing this for the past few years.

I'd say yes, esctacy in certain cases can cause Brain damage, depression and death. (depending on quality and dosage)

Also i'd say that many other drugs (legal) can cause in certains cases brain damage, depression and death. (depending on dosage - however the quality is what it says on the box ~ the quality of ecstacy is what your told it is by the dealer or other people who have taken the substance, unless you have a good relationship with the manufacturing *chemist* which would be very rare.



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