Posted by yldouglas on June 18, 2005, at 10:43:33
In reply to Re: please be civil » yldouglas, posted by Dr. Bob on June 14, 2005, at 22:02:06
Did you read any of the messages posted after mine, specifically from the chemist. He basically calls me a liar, makes fun of me, and gets testy that I haven't responded. I was glad to get the information he had, but instead of belittling my post he could have simply stated his information, which I indeed found useful and enlightening. But he was being arrogant and it was directed at me. I hardly find that being civil.
Everything I put in my original post was true as far as what happened. Twice when I contacted the people in charge of cust. serv. for investors, I received calls in which they told me exactly what I reported. If I was a dupe in believing what they told me, so be it.
True, I sunk to his level, perhaps even lower. But it seems there's a bit of a double standard here. I am copying in the exact verbage "the chemist" used that I found most offensive, and perhaps then you'll understand why I wrote what I wrote, and believe me I will never post on this board again, or any other. I truly was just trying to be helpful to those wondering what was going on with the Emsam patch. I don't mind being corrected or someone else offering what they know (And I repeat, I was glad to get the information the person had, but why did they have to make it personal, not to mention, why wasn't this person making this information available without it being a reaction to someone else's post?? Namely mine!)
Here are the references from "the chemist"'s postings:
"the claim that only persons involved in the financial sections of the pharmaceutical companies have provided information concerning emsam - especially information way out of their collective area of expertise and to a stranger, no less, who contacted these parties and found that they were willing to hand out company secrets - is beyond absurd. thus, i eagerly await contact from this poster so i can better position myself with my broker for the day that the letter of approval comes through - if it comes through."
"...this is all academic, however, as it is not just slightly entertaining that a new PB post is presenting nothing more than an advertisement for emsam: it is misleading and worse, some readers will actually believe what is stated." (I'm not sure how much harm this would have done)
"the original post leans more than a little in the direction of ``a wonderful drug is being held from the needy and because i can only glean information from the financial departments of the pharmaceutical companies involved - and not the scientific arms - there is obviously something amiss.''
"nor is there any evidence to support or prove false any claim a distribution partership with BMS is anything other that a business arrangement. the original poster claims that BMS is involved for reasons that include the perceived might that it has in pushing drugs to market which are otherwise held in limbo at the FDA"
(Here I could have defended myself, as my sister was an executive in marketing at BMS until she retired earlier this year, and she was well-known for knowing how to work with the FDA to speed up drugs to the market, working hand-in-hand with the R&D scientists, but I'm not going to drag my sibling into another kind of rivalry that happens mainly between men -- a "pi__ing contest.")There's more but I would hope this would be enough and if you don't find anything snide and therefore, uncivil, then I really am lost. I simply cannot emphasize enough that my original post was true as I knew at that time and I indeed was contacted by two people from Mylan and Watson who claimed to be part of the investment group, and were responding to my email. And perhaps I was a chump for believing them, but I didn't make it up.
I hope this helps you understand why I was less than civil, but I didn't start it and you obviously did not call "the chemist" on his lack of civility. But my ego got involved and when that happens my wit does bave a bite which made it more obvious than that of "the chemist."
And I would hope you would respond to this. I'm assuming you will catch this as well so it will not actually be posted, especially after I stated I would not be posting again. And please, do not refer me again to your FAQ's on being civil, it needed no explanation.
Aloha kakou,
yldouglas.
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