Posted by thug life on October 6, 2004, at 8:38:37
In reply to Re: Dexedrine Spanuals Vs Adderall vs Ritalin, posted by geno on October 6, 2004, at 3:21:57
Geno,
Since I'm pressed for time I am going to list my experiences and opinions and maybe we can each help each other from there.I wanted to address you more specific but if we brainstorm maybe we can help others as well! I remember 3beers and he really did bring up a lot of good stuff.
1st you seem well versed in the actions and mechanisms of medications which is awesome.IMO unless you have severe panic and anxiety people owe it to themselves to take a proactive role in their own rehabilitation.The reason to take a back seat sometimes with research and forums IMO w/anxiety/panic is you can make your condtion worse and start thinking you have every disorder out there and for every medication....there is horror stories,you might end up reading Peter Breggin and feel terrified.But anyways....I have been on at least one med for every class used in psychiatry.I have been diagnosed primarily with panic disorder but with my panic like a lot of us came...depression,social anxiety,Obsessive thoughts,agoraphobia etc.I also later realized I had ADD and since that is the topic I will stick with that.
My quick philosiphy...
When I first read a quote by Neal Seidman.It was something to the extent of instead of thinking what happens to us mentally as being "defective" and feeling the need to be in control....I had to change the way I viewed my "mental Illness"....Instead of trying to get rid of it I realized it's a part of me and it's there for a reason and it's o.k.,I was o.k. and I was me....not some label.I am not trying to slight anyone and hopefully people can kind of get an idea of what I mean.I realize the pain that people go through and I'm not trying to say these disorders arent severe and deibilitating.But for me,It is a part of me,just like anger ,sadness,sexual feelings,joy...I can't control those emotions completely so I let go of the idea I was defective and I was perfect and going through stuff because thats just what a higher power had intened for me I guess.I had to unconditionally love myself.Saying I had to be this way or that way for society put conditions on that love which kept my symptoms full force.But just by keeping it real and realizing I do have these problems,it does hurt but just by bringing awareness to myself led to the 2nd key to life:adaptability.I was able to understand,learn and make myself start to feel life again...free of labels,even though suffering came with it,acceptance lessened it.I think Buddha said suffering comes from wanting things we dont need.I started realizing I didnt "need" a cure.I also think it was Gandhi who said become the changes you want to see.This made me realize that instead of waiting for things just to go away,I had to take a active role in being content.But that is my quick philosiphy and I don't mean to make anyone feel as if it an easy thing and disorders are "easy" Uztopizen was correct about possible hospitialization in cases...but for me this is what helped spark the positive force in my life.We are not freaks and the stigma a lot of society puts on us.We all have a bright star inside of us,and when you eventually find it....it so bright everyone will be blinded.....Medication:
Medication works on different cell receptors in your brain as with all psych meds they either:
1)enhance the release of the chemical into the space between cells,the synapse 2)block the effects in the chemical on the receiving receptor 3)be brought back into the the same cell it was released AKA "reuptake"4)Or it can be metabolized,or broken into smaller pieces,carried away in the blood or excreted through the urine 5)they act like the chemical and stimulate the receivng receptor
This was very quick and a rough guide...It's sorta like an air hokey match lol. #1)would be amphetamine's
#2)Anti-psychotics,beta blockers
#3)Ritalin,SSri's Tca's
#4)Maoi's
#5)benzo'sIf someone can add to it and make it easier to understand please feel free or if someone would like further explanation I could try and do it.
Now as we are talking about ADD meds and stimulating meds....
Ritalin does a whole different action than amp's.Amp's cause the release of NE,SE and DA.I believe (I could be wrong)it causes the realease of NE(norepinephrine) more potently than DA(dopamine)and is least effective on SE(Serototnin)But after all is said and done it works DA.Ritalin is basically an SSRI but for Dopamine.It is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor.That is why it has a different feel because it doesnt realease as amp's do but reuptake's
Caffeine acts as an antagonist at adenosine receptors+
Ephedrine is a weal agonist at the beta adrenoceptors.Same with Clenbuterol.It weird these drugs are anti asthmatic drugs.
Both of these drugs are horrible and tax the CNS too much which is why strokes and other things have happened.
Quick guide(dont know if things have changed):
concerta 18,27,36,54 mgs lasts 12 hours
adderall xr 5,10,15,20,25,30mg lasts 12 hours
Ritalin La 20,30,40 mgs lasts 8 hours
Metadate cd 20mg lasts 8 hours
Dexedrine sr 5,10,15mglasts 8 hours
methylin er 10,20mg lasts 6-8 hours
adderall ir ( alot) tabs are suppossed to last longer as strength increases 4-8hrs all below
dexedrine 5mg
dextrostat 5,10 mg
detroamp(generic)not sure of doses
methylin 5,10,20
ritalin 5 ,10 ,20
focalin 2.5,5,10mg
metadate ir 10,20mg-Modafinil was pretty much useless to me at high doses and the cost is very high.Its good Adderall and Dexedrine Sr come in generic and its not a big difference like ritalin.
-I personally do not like Ritalin because it is to unpredictable.I Get the dysphoric feeling.-I never noticed a difference in the l-isomer or d-isomer
-Desoxyn was horrible,very bad crashes.
-I currently take Adderall Ir the use the Dex Sr.I like the idea of using the fast acting agent to get into your system then let the long term agent finish your day.Timing is the key.Personally,I set the alarm an hour before I wake,take a pill,go back to bed,wake up with it kicking in.
-To me Dex SR generic vs name brand there is no difference.It is not the feeling of immediate release but it keeps things level.
-I think you would like Dex spanules if self pay get the generic the price diff is crazy!!!
-Dont drink or consume Vitamin C IT cancels out alot of the amps work.Some people complain in the morning they dont feel anything and its cause they down O.J. and wipes out the effects.I actually use orange juice at night and I swear it works like a charm.It makes me sleepy because it cancels out the dex or adderall.
-There is no evidence that weight to milligram ratio has any validity.They mostly did that because kids were involved in alot of studies.
My weight is 250 lbs.
dosage:30 mgs adderall
75 mgs DexedrineMy Doctor is great and is on the forefront of ADD studies.Most people cant believe my doseage,I actually was taking 150 mgs.but came down.He is willing to fine tune me.
It sounds like you read Dr.Amen's books,If not thats always a good place to start.You can go to www.addwherehouse.com for books
Heres some recommendations for adults:-Adhd in adults by Paul wender
-You mean i'm not stupid,lazy,or crazy?By Kelly And Ramundo
-Managing attention and learning disabilities in late adolescence and adulthood by russell barkley
(very advanced academic discussions)If you want to e-mail me you can at shooto@ziplip.com and we can talk....If not we can continue on here but ......time to get the wife and kids awake...
Take care
poster:thug life
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