Posted by chemist on July 28, 2004, at 6:55:21
In reply to Dr. Bob plz read, chemist et. all..., posted by jlbl2l on July 28, 2004, at 0:52:08
hello there, chemist here....my comments are delineated by asterisks, below....all the best, chemist
> chemists citations may be right, but experience by various millions of people shows otherwise. its foolish if you believe everything you read (pubmed). Same with TV and media.**** jason, please provide information concerning the millions of people who suffer from hallucinations when taking the ``z drugs,'' in addition to the role the media has played in this conspiracy. thank you. ****
The cure to most dieases is to think "outside the box" something chemist may not do well (reminds me of a vulkin on star trek) - and i can prove that -
**** you can prove i am a fictional character from a television show? or that i cannot think ``outside the box?'' i will settle for either, jason: your choice. thank you.****when I and chemist tried to hypothesis about neurontin's mech. of action, all he could site was studies on pubmed (or other accalimed sourcres) while i on the other hand used VARIOUS sourcres including people and a range of unvonventional and various sources of course pubmed studies also - but i made linkups in my brain - hence - a hypothesis and something called a new idea using my imaginary.
**** jason, your ``imaginary'' is staggering. and, as you note, in addition with ``linkups in [your] brain,'' it is also an excellent chocie of words to describe your scientific acumen and research skills. kudos to you! ****And in general, i basically figured out how to augment neurontin "poop out" (with some of chemists help)
**** i do not think we will be publishing this remarkable and ``imaginary'' breakthrough jointly, jason. thank you, but you are sole author on this research.****
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> But his attitude & manner and unjustifiable attacks are all clearly towards me
> IMO that chemist suffers from the following conditions (A) Ego complex B) Insecurity
> Also one would wounder someone who is so smart and has SO many credentials is nearly able to spend 75%-85% of his time responding to posts at this message board that put down opinions of others or even try be perfect over anyone elses response. Makes you wonder who is this person and what did/does he do for his life?
***** jason, a few months ago i made it abundantly clear to anyone who cared that i will gladly provide my credentials - in the form of my c.v. - to anybody who requests them. several people have taken up the offer, and on this board as time permits. i am curious how you have arrived at the notion that i spend ``75%-85%'' of my time responding to posts on this board. will i need to secure a temporary restraining order? i welcome your comments, and i eagerly await the receipt of your offer to provide your credentials to the public whom you have helped in so many ways, as you claim in (at least) one of your earlier posts. thank you. *****
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> Bottle line : He attacked my opinion for no reason and it was not even part of the orginal thread and even in a manipulated way tried to doubt my association with the NCF and my skills as a researcher on things not releated to even this board...*** the ``bottle line,'' jason, has nothing to do with you personally: the bottom line is that you had many, many opportunities to validate your association with the NCF (country not specified, to date) and your research skills, yet you did not. i do look forward to learning more about you, your research, and the NCF. thank you.****
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> Oh, and REMEMBER, this has NOTHING to do with the original topic, chemist decided to attack my "OPINION" in the following threads instead, but then claimed that I didnt stay on the main subjects after awhile...well hmmm yeah ... you wanted me to back up my opinion with some sweaping report, right? ha, a major contradiction there, don't you say?**** no, jason, i was attempting to take a very sweeping statement that is truly inaccurate and provide some credible evidence. again, please do provide references to the millions of people who have experienced hallucinations while taking the ``z drugs.'' thank you ****
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> including you - have reported hallucinations while forcing themselves to stay awake after taking a sedative-hypnotic. this information is damaging to your credibility in that you have stated that you have actually performed this experiment"<END ASSUMPTION>
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> COMMENTS : I never said i forced myself to stay awake!**** you wrote it, jason: i never claimed you said it. please reread your earlier post. thank you. ****
Oh yes and now you damage my credibilty with the NCF. Thats OK CALL GAIL KANSKY (president of the NCF) and ask I'f I am a volunteer researcher : the answer will be : "yes, why? who is this?" Plus my research skills rtc... dont even bother questiong my credibilty. I might not have a degree such as yours but that sure doesnt know i know more than you on MANY things. that was a very cheap shot.
*** jason, i need not question your credibility in any regard: you have quite effectively provided the audience with the means to do so in this and other posts. it is very clear to me just how credible your assertions and research skills truly are. thank you.****
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> there is the issue of the one drug that is not FDA approved or available in the U.S., which indicates that you were in another country when you performed that experiment, or that you have obtained the drug illegally and performed the experiment here, in the U.S. in conclusion, this is not a personal attack<END>
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> COMMENT : LETS SEE, ASSUMING I PERFORMED AN EXPERIMENT, BOUGHT ILLEGALLY, TRAVELED TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND "EXPERIMENT" ONCE AGAIN, OH BUT HE FORGOT - COULD I LIVE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY? COULD THIS BE A LEGITMATE PRESCRIPTION? I think anyone can get the point by now... chemist was out of line. then he says : this is not a personal attack" I hope Dr. Bob see this really.. I guess chemist was protecting himself from getting his post deleted or banned again for a week maybe with that statemet..heheh
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**** no, jason, you had several opportunities to enlighten us with your citizenship, and did not. please feel free to do so. thank you. ****
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> you claim that you ``know quite a bit and have numerous hookups'' because you claim to study autoimmune diseases and ``a lot of other immune related diseases,'' and are a ``volunteer researcher for the national chronic fatigue foundation.'' (this is from your post at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20040724/msgs/370390.html)
> given your extensive knowledge and research position, i am confused: you conduct research based on google searches instead of peer-reviewed literature? and you have actually taken all three drugs - 1 of which is not marketed in the U.S., so i assume you obtained it illegally or tried it while abroad - in a manner inconsistant with their proper use? why?
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> COMMENTS : noticing how he says the world claim? ohh geeez, chemist claims he did this and that cause he has a degree. don't believe anyone - this is a bessage board. it isn't fair what your going at all and I hope Dr. Bob reads this. This really sums it up - mean once again claming i did a legal thing! or this or that in a post unrelated to this. what mood was he in that night, forgot to take your meds ?**** jason, the above is a personal attack against me. please rephrase and resubmit. thank you. *****
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> These are evident enough clearly speuculative and presoumptious and accusations and are very indirect and manipulative towards me, my illtelligence, and who I am afflicated with; my drug habits (assuming i have any) (even when chemist doesnt know where I live) he assumes the US or abraod or illegal.. still none of his biz and ALL SPECULATIVE AND PRESUMPTIOUS.**** you made it my (and everyone else's) ``biz'' on a public post. and yet there remains the mystery. please provide some evidence. thank you *****
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> If this is not enough to convience who was right or wrong here I dont know what will. I asnwered what i could to dan originally and it was my opinion that sleeping meds, the "w" kinds CAN COMMONLY cause hallucinations at regular doses mostly when you dont close your eyes and sleep (IE: stay awake) before the sleepiness hits, you can experience hallcinations and i said it was dangerous to drive with these drug and be careful.
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> Wow I was giving mindblowing wrong info, enough for chemist to start in with me like that?
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*** bye, jason. thank you*****
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