Posted by Alexander on December 26, 2003, at 22:56:37
In reply to Re: I need help, went to doc and he freaked on me » Jaynee, posted by Laree on December 23, 2003, at 22:31:34
> Effexor XR was an AD I couldn't tolerate; I had a very negative reaction to it. At first, when we just thought it wasn't working (but I felt something was off) my pdoc wanted to up the dosage. Well, on my own terms I refused to do that, assuming that what I was feeling on the 75 mg. dose would just be exacerbated with a higher dose. I just knew it wasn't for me...I did not feel good on it. I felt anxious and depressed, if I can recall correctly. After a bad suicidal episode, they quickly took me off of it and put me on another SSRI, which I did have success with. Anyway, if I were you, I would try to find a new pdoc. Is that possible for you? There ARE some great ones out there, sometimes you just have to "try out" some and see where the best fit is. That doc you saw who yelled at you sounds like he's got some issues of his own; it sounds as though he was very defensive. That's his problem--keep in mind that he owns that problem, NOT you. A doctor should never yell at a patient. It is not good practice and it's not right. You were right to walk out of his office. You don't have to subject yourself to that kind of abuse, and you let him know it! Good job! Best of luck!
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> I have been on effexor for about 3 to 4 weeks, lost track. I have been feeling worse on effexor than better. Have not been sleeping and having a bad time with anxiety. I am only on 75mg, and I think maybe I should just quit.
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> > Went into the walkin clinic and saw a doctor, who basically told me to just start exercising and about some study about triathletes and his triathlete friend, etc and how exercise helps sleep. I told him I was too tired to exercise, because I wasn't sleeping and he said how can you be to tired to exercise and not fall asleep. I said because that is how the beast anxiety works. I said unless you've been there you can't relate. He started to yell and tell me I was making presumptions about him, etc, and I said well obviously you haven't experienced this or you wouldn't have told me that all I needed to do was exercise. I told him I didn't come to argue with him and proceeded to walk out when he started yelling at me to come back, "you come back here right now, get back here." He started to walk after me yelling at me. Needless to say I was in tears when I got home.
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> > I am really scared now to go back to my pdoc, because I know he is going to get a note from this weirdo doctor and they seem to look out for one another. I also came to realize that no-one especially doctor can help me and it made me really sad and scared. I just don't know how I am going to get better. I was way better before I started effexor, should I quit or keep trying?
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the procedure for Canada (Ontario) you would find here:While they may be a bit different in the UK, keep in mind the most often and effective defence for MDs is the "limitation defence" (statute of limitations) in torts.
On top of all there is some stuff u have to do before u can go to court (supposedly and ridiculously) (in Kitchener a man was raped, for example, in hospital, went to the courts right away, and the college of physicians and surgeons, the branch that supposedly regulates the profession in the interest of the people, went to claim that the charge is null and void because the guy didn't first complain with the college, the (self-) regulatory body for physicians.[needless to say that this caused a "slight outrage", resulting in a settlement, and that very quickly, which always include(s) "shut up for money", thus making it impossible to further talk about it - either because u do not know, or because u can/might get disbarred.]
http://www.ontla.on.ca/french/documents/Bills/36_Parliament/session1/M96041e.htm
Anyway:
Try to look up something similar for the UK.
What is interesting, though, is that the Ontario College, even though it has a "complaint form" on its site, does not tell the people that the legislator (probably under pressure from the Union) has two steps to be applied before that in order to file civil charges.
So check out this two page paper (it is in English) write in paragraph form how your rights were violated for each and every point under section "3"(bold).
...and then form a few conclusions as to how this may indicate professional misconduct, incompetence and/or BATTERY (in which case the onus of proof lies fully with the MD, a charge that can be filed when treatment was done w/o consent, which must be
voluntary (coercion/duress = battery, even if no damage)
Informed
w/o misinterpretation)Write this letter nicely to ur MD and tell him that u r doing this pro forma and not to request an apology and/or "due to personal reasons".
As a meter of fact you could write somewhere at the end that you do not appreciate having been put into this situation (of having to write him all of this stuff).Then u write the same stuff the college of physicians and surgeons and to your MP and MPP with: "input re. issues pertaining to self-regulatory bodies" (there's always a committee that investigates something).
See a lawyer that has been certified on the health sector.
If ur complaints are valid and not just "grudge" it will be well worth it, for:
you
the attorney
the people, as MDs that went though civil litigation usually make much better MDs, in the future, if they ever practice again
(P.S.: I haven't totally read ur total post thus cannot even guess if it may be valid)P.P.S.: try to use the phrase "in good faith" (including footmarks") rather more than less (e.g. I seriously believe "in good faith" that...)
But always try and keep in mind:
"a strong man knows how to fight for his rights and not hit back." ---M. Luther King Jn.there is some class action going on against Effexor, too. If u would like to be one of the plaintiffs, let me know I can direct u to the site where u can sign up. On the other hand, if this is a matter against the MD and not the drug, do not do that, because it will lend u more credibility that u go for what u believe was wronged and that was the MDs duty to inform u, or whatever it was.
Hope that helps.
P.S.: always take digital recorders with u to all appointments (e.g. ICDR's from sony - data can be transferred onto hard drive) ...as MDs like to change records slightly (some, at least) this can be played in response, instantly nullifying the MDs credibility on all sectors in question as falsifying records is a serious offence.
(I know it's expensive, but it is WELL worth it - and don't let them tell u that it is "criminal" to tape conversations, which it is not, as one party is aware of it, namely u (if u can admit it in the courts is another issue, but there are always ways)cheers
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