Posted by DSCH on September 28, 2003, at 16:37:34
In reply to Re: Parmodalin? » DSCH, posted by francesco on September 28, 2003, at 11:45:23
> You seem to be right. I'm not social phobic so why treat social phobia ? the only reason was that in the last year I tried something like 4 different meds.
OK, were these the four: Paxil, Celexa, Wellbutrin, and Prozac? Could you summarize "the good, the bad, and the ugly" when it came to those again? Some of your posts from earlier where... uh... a little unclear. ;-)
>With the possible exception of Paxil every med made me feel "weird" and this gives me problems in the social area. Maybe I'm not social phobic but I have some SP traits that worsen under meds ... I really don't know. Anyway I can't be sure that Imiprammine will give me the same kind of problem. The doc seems oriented to let me try first Imiprammine and only after an eventual failure Desipramine. I thought Desipramine was good also because is used in "ritired depressions", so I think it should be pro-social.
You mean depressions in the elderly? Hmmmm. Seeing as sometimes the dopaminergic system goes out with age (Parkinson's), why not the noradrenergic? I guess this would appear as 'senility' *without* long term memory loss (that's more acetylcholine-related). It would actually be late life onset of ADD! The 'depression' could be a secondary thing (who wouldn't be "down" knowing they had lost their mental abilities?). Anyway don't take too much from this ramble. ;-)
> Anyway, he knows about the existence of adult-Adhd and this is quite good. The previous doc gave me Anafranil because he thought I had an OCD problem ... so he wouldn't give me other tryciclics because Anafranil is the best for OCD.
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> I can bear not to be sexual for a period. But I don't think I can stand it for life. So, if I have this kind of problem sooner or later I'll finish to quit the med (to re-start it after a vacation).I don't care about having sex here and now but I'm looking for a treatment that could be useful in the long term. My condition without meds is not unbearable, so I'm quite demanding ... I want to be sure that it's worth.My sexual problem is more related to the fact that, off meds and feeling/thinking well, I still come off as a vistor from another planet to women, I think. ;-) Most women say they want an intelligent man, but I believe most put a cut-off at an IQ around 130 or so. ;-) Above that and it becomes strange and intimidating.
> Another issue is that my body doesn't seem to be capable anymore to tolerate meds. The last two times I took Anafranil I got ill (got a bad fever) and I usually don't get ill. But I don't want to complain too much. In this thread there are people who suffer from Major Depression or worse while I can choose if taking meds or not. So I suppose I can't complain too much. Somehow I managed to make a lot of things despite the disturb ... (I'm trying to convince myself ;-)
I got 'bronchitis' after starting Paxil and my lungs never quite fully cleared up after that it seemed (that's also better now). Might not be coincidental
> about Bipolar II ... I have never been hypomaniac for days ... the only time was when I quit Anafranil cold turkey ... but I red it can happen
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> so maybe I could be bipolar rapid cycling. I can't remember exactly the points in the article just that I recognize myself far more in the Adhd profile. anyway I have problems in concentration (organization, etc.) if I'm depressed, high, or medium ... this doc seems to be an expert also in bipolar II ... therefore I hope he'll be able to understand my problems and give me a proper treatment ... Imiprammine is anyway a step forward
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> I'm a bit deluse about Parmodalin because I thougt despite the evidences that Maois could be the key. They are known to make people high even if they're not depressed (I have never been happy under meds) and parnate seems to be very similar to anphetamine in ist chemical structure. I'll ask about it to this new p-doc. The Parmodalin mix is a crime and it makes no sense.
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> I'm attracted by stimulants because I have the sensation that they affect your personality less than antidepressants. I have this feeling that they are in some way "saner" and more natural. and you can skip a dose and be yourself if you want. but the prices on the net are crazy and I wouldn't like to explain to police that I'm affected by Adhd ;-)Heh, pstims being "natural". LOL
For what it's worth, most people regard antidepressant type drugs as being more subtle than the pstims. Your view is colored by the bad reactions you've had with the SSRIs, which is certainly not unknown among ADD sufferers who have been misdiagnosed as depressives or OCDers.
I thought Paxil was doing me some good when I was on it back in 2001. I thought I felt some mood lift from it. But my other problems at the time (and likely the ROOT ones) were not having enough psychological energy and the will and focus to get things done consistently from day to day. Paxil didn't help those at all and may have made them somewhat worse. It gave me a false sense that I was doing something about my problems that only got me into more trouble.
> Thank you for the support. It really means a lot for me. Ok, today I had my anafranil pill so I can go to watch a movie now ;-) bye !
I'm glad you feel this way. I wish I had had someone with similar experiences to talk with like this back in 2001.
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