Posted by Ame Sans Vie on September 5, 2003, at 14:03:27
In reply to Re: I like provigil, but I miss sleeping! Advice? » Ame Sans Vie, posted by loolot on September 5, 2003, at 13:17:34
> What is methylphenidate? A stimulant?
Yep, just the generic name for Ritalin.
> Thanks! You are really helpful!No problem, glad to help. :-)
> Do you think that the fact that I am already getting extra adren. from the wellbutrin might be contributing to the problem? I wonder if I should try a lower dose of wellbutrin?
That's a definite consideration... though I wouldn't get my hopes up. I mean, 50mg of modafinil is a very low dose, and regardless of the additive effects of any other drugs, the fact that you're having such problems with such a small dose indicates to me that modafinil simply isn't the right medication for you. I mean, what really concerns me is that modafinil is not supposed to affect sleep (i.e. cause insomnia) -- just the fact alone that you're experiencing that sets off an alarm in my head.
> I really like the wasy this drug effects my mood and ability to get things done, etc when I am on a slightly higher dose, butI wish I didnt have these side effects.
Believe me, if you decide to give amphetamines a run, it won't be long before Provigil becomes a vague, distant memory, lol. Amphetamines also greatly elevate mood, increase drive, motivation, confidence, and physical and psychic energy. Their effects are sooo much better than modafinil's (though this is just my opinion, I'm sure many others here would back me up on this).
The three amphetamines that you could try have somewhat subjective, but often quite predictable effects. Adderall (a combination of dextroamphetamine, levoamphetamine, and amphetamine) works well, but seems to cause anxiety/irritability in some. Dexedrine/DextroStat/Ferndex/Spancap #1/Oxydess II (dextroamphetamine), my personal stimulant of choice, seems to be more effective than Adderall and does not cause nervousness. Desoxyn (methamphetamine) I found to be the best of all the amphetamines for mood elevation (though dextroamphetamine isn't far behind), but not as effective as dextroamphetamine for my ADD symptoms. Of course, these are my experiences, and Your Mileage May Vary.
> Do you really think I could have some metabolic issue? How long does it usually take for provigil to be extreted?
It's a distinct possibility... I'll look a bit more into this and then let you know what I find out.
> amphetamines are my next move, but, darnit, I really like this drug............
^^^^Read above. :-)
> I guess another option would be to try the weaker version of provigil (adrafinil). do you know anything about that drug? Are side effects worse or better or the same?
Adrafinil, while certainly quite a bit less expensive, is harder on your liver than modafinil. I don't know, I assume you may have the same sort of reaction to adrafinil as you have to modafinil, being that they're so closely related.
> What do you think about sleep meds. Are they problematic and addictive?
Most sleep medications won't work for more than a couple weeks if used on a nightly basis. Ambien, Sonata and Imovane are possible exceptions to this -- though nothing is strong enough to put me to sleep (except Xyrem and really high doses of barbiturates or opioids). Many find Ambien works wonderfully for them, though. But, just some advice, I would personally try switching medications before adding more and more meds to counteract side effects, you know? For what it's worth, I am taking Zyban (same as Wellbutrin SR) at a low dose, 150mg daily, and there is no negative interaction with my dextroamphetamine.
> Thanks so much
Anytime. :-) Any more questions, let me know; I'll get back to you on that whole metabolism issue when I find something.
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