Posted by freedom2001 on April 13, 2003, at 4:04:03
In reply to Re: COCKTAIL TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC OCD, posted by McPac on April 12, 2003, at 23:18:18
> freedom,
Hi OCD fighters,
>
> Scratch the magnesium OXIDE off your list! Magnesium in the oxide form is pure JUNK---terribly absorbed and utilized by the body. Take magnesium glycinate instead.Is there any link on the magnesium issue? (interesting).
Why is magnesium oxide terribly absorbed?
Will magnesium glycinate worsen OCD? I do read that magnesium aspartate, taurate and gluconate worsen depression. So I presume it will worsen OCD as well, since depression and OCD are linked together. I wouldn't take my chances with any gluconate/taurate or aspartate stuffs. Even if magnesium oxide is poorly absorbed, I think it's worth it coz it won't worsen OCD.I've searched through our Guardian pharmacy in Singapore. There are 2 No.1 best sellers, one from the USA (Caltrate), the other from the UK (Osteocare).
I chose the UK over the USA coz the USA Caltrate has too low magnesium levels and it includes copper, which can worsen OCD. Nonetheless, it is an excellent choice for building and maintaining bones (for those without OCD I suppose).
The UK Osteocare contains a nice combination of calcium, magnesium, zinc and vitamin D.
> As for the calcium, I don't believe that calcium in carbonate form is absorbed too well itself. There are much better forms as well (not positive which ones are best so I'll refrain from saying).
They say coral calcium from Japan is good. But sometimes the calcium composition itself is very good. But the accompanying minerals such as magnesium, vitamin D and zinc may be absent or too low.
Also, I learnt that there is another USA brand with patented calcium L-???????. But unfortunately, I don't think it includes zinc and vitamin D.
As for your advice to avoid folic acid and copper, please post links that support that if you happen to have a link. I would be very interested in that link for various reasons.
I will have to dig up google using various keywords, which would be very tiring. Instead i will post what I have gathered here:
"With respect to a child with the rituals, a more direct approach would be to use methionine, calcium, magnesium, trimethylglycine, and possibly SAMe... along with avoidance of folic acid supplements.
Methylation therapy is a direct and effective way to treat OCD tendencies, and we regard Inositol as a valuable adjunct therapy. Note that use of folic acid and B-12 is NOT indicated since the methyl-trapping effect greatly exceeds the benefits of enhanced conversion of homocystine to methionine."
"Generally, OCD patients respond nicely to methonine, SAMe, calcium, magnesium, B-6, Inositol, TMG, and zinc. Most OCD patients get worse if given supplements of DMAE, choline, copper, or folic acid.
Mary Reed, Herbalist
http://www.marysherbs.com/";
"1) High Histamine (under-methylated)40-70 is optimum histamine range for mental health considerations. Histamine is an important neurotransmitter which affects human behavior. This syndrome often involves seasonal variations in depression, obsessive-compulsive behavior, inhalant allergies, and frequent headaches. In severe cases involving psychosis, the dominant symptom is usually delusional thinking rather than hallucinations. They tend to speak very little and may sit motionless for extended periods. They may appear outwardly calm, but suffer from extreme internal anxiety. Most OCD patients with both obsessive thoughts and compulsive actions are in this category. Associated with under-methylation, which results in low levels of important neurotransmitters such as serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine. Treatment focuses on the use of antifolates such as calcium, methionine, SAMe, magnesium, zinc, TMG, omega-3 essential oils, B6, inositol, and A, C and E. The dose of inositol is 500 to 1000mg. Choline is anti-dopaminergic and often makes undermethylated patients worse. Also bad are DMAE, copper and folic acid. Three to six months of nutrient therapy are necessary to correct this chemical imbalance. Symptoms will return if treatment is stopped. Two good labs for whole blood histamine are LabCorp and Quest. Also use a special absolute basophil count as a methlyation marker. The count must be direct and not differential. Alcian blue dye is the preferred staining agent. Best lab for this test is Direct Healthcare Access in Glenview IL 847 299 2440"
"A. Undermethylation: This condition is innate & is characterized by low levels of serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, high whole blood histamine and elevated absolute basophils. This population has a high incidence of seasonal allergies, OCD tendencies, perfectionism, high libido, sparse body hair, and several other characteristics. They usually respond well to methionine, SAMe, calcium, magnesium, omega-3 essential oils (DHA & EPA), B-6, inositol, and vitamins A, C, and E. They should avoid supplements containing folic acid. In severe cases involving psychosis, the dominant symptom is usually delusional thinking rather than hallucinations. They tend to speak very little & may sit motionless for extended periods. They may appear outwardly calm, but suffer from extreme internal anxiety."
"Metabolic Types
About 7 years ago, I developed a classification system which subdivides the entire population into 26 metabolic types (Types A through Z). A small company in Illinois carried out a pilot study of this system (which they called "Bio-Logic") and provided compounded nutrients to more than 1,000 clients who paid for this service. The use of this system was limited to "wellness" clients who were free of serious mental problems. The company found that the results were generally very positive, with many loyal users. At least 26 types are needed to enable consideration of key factors including methylation, metal metabolism, glucose control, absorption, neurotransmitter synthesis, etc. For example, I am a Type L..... which means
my genetic metabolic makeup results in a need for supplements emphasing methoinine, calcium, magnesium, zinc, and vitamins B-6, C and E...... and a need to completely AVOID supplements of folic acid, DMAE, choline, copper, etc. Proper typing requires identification of nutrients in overload (because of genetics) as well as nutrients in deficiency."Inositol has also been shown to help some with OCD. In the study, participants were given 12-18 grams of inositol a day (a very large amount). freedom, has your OCD at times COMPLETELY incapacitated you? <Made you unable to do ANYTHING except sit and think, think, think, with NO stopping the obsessive thinking (IF you have the obsessional thinking type)? Did it ever REALLY 'hurt', NOT like a bad headache but hurt in a terrible MENTAL, torture pain kind of way?
Yes, when I was in the army hospital, I was treated with anafranil. It simply doesn't work. Every 15 mins I would obsess. It was pure living hell. I'm better now, and sometimes much better due to years of trial and error and research.
Thanks and May God Bless and Heal you and all others in His own Special Way.
May the PEACE of Jesus Christ always be with us.
Take Care!!
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