Posted by shar on September 8, 2002, at 17:25:50
In reply to WHAT is wrong with some of you??????, posted by reese1 on September 7, 2002, at 19:02:11
'So if someone came up to me from NYU or Stanford or wherever and would have a clinical drug trial for ecstacy to treat depression how could i say no?'
There is a difference, to me, between a controlled clinical trial conducted by professionals at a reputable institution with appropriate monitoring and controls, and informed consent of participants---and recreational drug use in which people (mostly kids) don't necessarily have info on the pros and cons of usage, nor much control over the quality of the product they obtain, nor much idea about dosage and contraindications, nor any age limits on usage, and the targeted age group is probably one in which decision making and self-care skills are still developing. One of the youngsters I watched go down the drain with illegal drugs was my son.
Your analysis of the process of treating depression and other mental illnesses is pretty accurate as far as I'm concerned, everyone is flying by the seat of their pants and some do it better than others.
Shar
> what i'm about to say has nothing to do with a majority of the posts that i read about ecstacy. most of what was stated about ecstacy is pretty much factual information, it might be old, but it is true and there still is a small movement, just like any movement, that would very much like to see MDMA used for POST DRAMATIC STREES CASES AND WITH RAPE CASES for two examples.
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> but what scared and pissed me off the most were the people who had the time and energy to talk shit about how stupid these doctors must be for prescribing this party rave drug.
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> i know from my position, now just turning 34, and for ten years now taken every possible medication that is legal, alone, combined, plethora of hospitalizations, etc etc. my life is pretty much done. when i was thirteen i was number 1 in california in tennis. in 1992 i was voted best actor in Chicago. now i'm waiting to get on Disability. I no longer hope. I no longer dream. I no longer can imagine what i look like.
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> So if someone came up to me from NYU or Stanford or wherever and would have a clinical drug trial for ecstacy to treat depression how could i say no? you can scream and scream but i can not under any reasoning say no to that. what do i have to lose or more importantly what might i have to gain? a nice day. and you can look down on me for that.
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> the same goes with opiate type drugs?
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> such as buprenex?
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> or whatever
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> it is a sad state that when you graduate to the psychiatric world of the united states, you hit first grade with prozac then instead of going forward as in school you do a u-turn. moving what you think is forward- taking wellbutrin, effexor, lithium, depakote, neurontin, zyprexa, adderal, but then the joke becomes obvios where do the doctors go when the future runs dry?
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> backwards. where do they go first. those reject drugs they never thought would be used again. you know which ones. The MAO'S. Try some Nardil, then Parnate. then when that doesn't work were gonna take your hand and take you further back. don't listen to what you've heard. it's not painful. you won't feel a thing. it will only take between 6 to 12 sessions. it has the best cure ratio. so where are you know. your hooked to your toe waiting for the seizure to hit to get your first jolt of ECT
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> so who is who to say what is good and what is bad?
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> what is offered today is much more on the side of the joke than on the side of being serious.
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> psychiatrist, and an honest one will admit this to you, they know this much about anti-depressents, bi-polor drugs- which sadly are all used by accident. valproic acid was not initially designed for manic depression but like the rest for seizures.
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> but the shrinks will tell you "it's all jelly bellies" those are the hundreds of different colors of expensive jellybeans. they don't know which color goes with which person. then when you have to add another drug to the individual's condition it only makes the odds that more fucked.
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> so for you out there making fun of this and that. i must say i think that you are either very bored, in-expierenced, or maybe just smarter than me.
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> reese
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