Posted by Dr. Kramer on April 2, 2002, at 9:50:29
In reply to Dr. Kramer-med cocktail questions, posted by Noa on April 1, 2002, at 17:50:58
> Dr. Kramer-
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> Thanks for being here to answer questions.
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> I have had chronic, recurrent "double" depression, currently in remission. I take the following cocktail of medications:
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> Effexor XR 262.5 mg (once in am)
> Adderall 10 mg (3 times a day)
> Serzone 500 mg (at night)
> Lorazepam .25 mg (at night)(helps counter the activating effects of effexor, so I can fall asleep)
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> I also take:
> cytomel 12.5 mcg (twice a day)
> synthroid 50 mcg (once in am)
> glucophage xr 2000 mg (once in am)
> allesse 28 (supposedly also helps with mood issues related to reproductive cycle)
> tetracycline
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> This combination of psych. meds seems to keep my depression at bay, with only infrequent breakthrough depressions that don't last very long at all, although I suppose I am still a bit dysthymic.
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> Any thoughts on the following?
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> 1. The main problem is some of the side effects: two are especially bothersome: bladder problems, such as frequent and extreme urgency, and extreme tightness in my face and jaw, sometimes causing headaches. I think the bladder problems are from the serotonergic effects of the Effexor. I think this is also what causes the jaw clenching, but I wonder if it could be the adderall, too.
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> 2. I also wonder about the so-called "SSRI apathy" problem. I know I am not on any SSRIs, but I wonder if Effexor can cause the same problem. During the past few years, while I have been on all of these medications, I feel that I have had difficulty with motivation and initiative. Of course it could be dysthymia, but the suggestion of a SSRI-apathy link on this board and on Psychopharmocology Tips, and in some abstracts on Pubmed, all make me wonder about it.
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> 3. Is it possible to figure out which medicines are doing what--I have built up this cocktail over the years, and it feels like it is hard to distingush at this point which ones are essential and which are not, which are helping the most, etc.
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> 4. Finally--what do you think about dopamine agonists (mirapex?)? Could it possibly allow me to reduce some of the serotonergic medications and therefore hopefully help with the side effects? Could it add further antidepressant benefit?
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> Thank you!If you're on a cocktail that basically works, I'd hang in there. There are no side effect (s/e)free med regimens. Period. Meds work in concert so you can never really say one does this or that.
Effexor is an SSRI, but it's also an SNRI (N for Noradrenergic) which in most folks counterbalances the SSRI s/e's.
The jaw stuff is almost certainly the Adderall. You may want to talk to your doc about trying to decrease that. Adderall is a dopamine agonist effectively, so you've been there, done that.
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