Posted by JohnX2 on March 2, 2002, at 2:29:30
In reply to Re: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, posted by Sorceress on March 1, 2002, at 20:12:19
Usually Anti-social disorder is a fallout of
PTSD. Were you under substantial stress in your
early years before your anti-social diagnosis?
Also, people with PTSD are generally going
to get irratic responses from anti-depressants.You mentioned that you had manic responses on ADs?
Has there ever been mention by the physicians
that you may suffer from any form of bipolar
disorder (manic-depression)? People who are bipolar
that don't take a mood stabilizer will not get a
solid response from an anti-depressant, its impossible
to get a solid response without stabilizing the
electrical activity in the brain first.
Is there any history of major depressive disorder
or bipolar (manic depressive) disoder in your
family tree?
Finally, I think you would really be helped
by a trial of the medication Clonidine (Catapres).
This is an anti-hypertensive medication that
slows the heart rate and suppresses nightmares.
It also helps to relieve anxiety associated with
PTSD. It stabilizes neuronal paths disrupted by
trauma (which led to the hypertension). This medicine
can also help to give a better anti-depressant
response by stabilizing those sensitive neuronal
paths. This is well documented as an effective
PTSD medication. Good for sleep.I'll send a follow up email to see how you are
doing.Regards,
John> Dingbat baby... I am right there with you... I have the same numbing and return of previous symptoms w/ the klonopin as you are describing...I have been on clonazepam/klonopin for almost 5 years and my dosage is so high its a wonder I'm even functioning most of the time... also am right with you on the manic reactions to AD... nothing seems to help... also diagnosed w/ anit-social disorder at 13... I thought it was just B.S. and that I was rebelling but the behaviors have not changed... the klonopin is the only thing that stops my migraines... I would just love to find a way to be lucid and alive again...Topamax I react to...no one has ever suggested the serezone or the Lamictal...am I seeing the wrong kind of doc? Can someone point me in a direction that doesnt trap me in this depressive state of being? I have 2 kids to raise on my own and I don't want the circle to continue...any advice? please?
>
> Dingbat..e-amil me...I would like to maybe converse with you outside of the BB...or anybody else who has some help to offer...
>
> sorceress@cox.net...
>
> > This is interesting.
> > I have been diagnosed with bipolar II disorder.
> > When I was a young child I went through a horrible time
> > with a parental divorce/alcoholic depressed mother/
> > bankrupt family business for about 4 yrs between the ages
> > of 8-12. I witnessed a lot of traumatic events and was under
> > a lot of constant stress. After this ended I had flashbacks,
> > major depression,and the onset of hypomanic sypmptoms and
> > also anti-social personality disorder.
> >
> > 15 yrs later I relapse into major depression. I try every
> > AD. Zoloft and Wellbutrin make me manic and poop out.
> > Serzone is the ONLY AD that works and also does not poop
> > out. It also fixes these EXCRUCIATING pains that I have in
> > my head that the neurologists are stymied about fixing.
> > Klonopin and Topamax also help.
> >
> > So I'm back on Serzone, this time with a mood stabilizer
> > Lamictal, and the Serzone is again helping with the headaches
> > and its less drowsy probably because of the Lamictal.
> >
> > So why do you think that Serzone is such a good medicine for
> > PTSD? Its my understanding that PTSD causes a "backwards" dysruption
> > in the functioning of the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal response
> > to stress. I've noticed since I started Serzone that I have gotton
> > a return of symptoms that I had before I got into this major
> > depressive func, mainly these weird immune system goof ups
> > Raynauds (vascular sensitivity to cold/warm in my hands causing
> > a numbing), and some joint pain. But I'll trade that off for
> > getting rid of my headaches. So it seems the Serzone is somehow
> > rebalancing my stress system and how it interacts with my
> > autoimmune/hormone system.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > -John
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I treat a lot of people with PTSD and have found that the most useful drug to control most of the symptoms is SERZONE (nefazodone). This is supported by research on the better psychopharmacological treatments for PTSD. Counselling/psychotherapy is also a must - preferably with a therapist who has experience and good track record with treating PTSD. By the way, I am also a chronic migraine sufferer and have found that Serzone (200mg bid) makes a huge impact on frequency and severity of migraines (as do many other antidepressants). You'll also find that your sleep will be much improved on Serzone. If you don't go for Serzone, try any other AD with Molipaxin (trazodone) as a 'sleeping tablet' - it's very effective for most people with sleep problems and is a close cousin of Serzone (e.g., 50mg nocte)
> > > Hope that helps a little ...
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