Posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 28, 2002, at 21:35:08
In reply to What is buprenorphine like?, posted by MB on January 27, 2002, at 20:14:46
>I read in a book called Pills a-go-go that Immodium AD is a good way to detox from heroin, dilaudiud, morphine, percodan etc.
Immodium AD is some kind of opiate agonist that doesn't cause a "high" but eases withdrawl from opiates & is much cheaper than methadone etc.
Be sure to get the regular Immodium AD brand name, not Immodium advanced w/ simethicone (an anti-gas agent). Loperamide is the ingrediant that is effective in this case. When it first came out Immodium was a schedule III but when they figured out it wasn't abusable it was eventually downgraded to otc status.
One time in detox (heroin) I was given buprenorphin sublingually to ease the withdrawal. I wasn't too impressed with it. It didn't seem to help much, but then again, there was no way of telling how bad I would have felt if I *hadn't* been givin that accepably palatable liquid to suck on. For all I know, it was a godsend, but my intuition tells me that I wouldn't have been much worse off without it.
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> At one point, during a physical exam (required by the clinic) the physician actually gave me an intermuscular shot of the stuff and it was wonderful (well, wonderful given the state I was already in): the goosebumbs went away, my nose quit running, and that feeling of simultaneous fever with hypothermia was moderately relieved. I would not say, however that it completely blocked the withdrawal. I still felt bad, just not quite as wretched as before. The above anecdote exhausts my experience with buprenorphine.
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> My limited and extremely adulterated experience with buprenorphine compels me to ask this question: what is the medication like under normal circumstances--i.e., circumstamnce where the patient is neither habituated to opoid agonists nor in a state of withdrawal from such agonists.
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> Is is sedating? Is it nauseating? Dysphoria, euphoria, etc. Is there a waiting period before antidepressant effects are noticed, or is relief immediate as with the pure agonists?
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> I've taken butorphanol before. That was weird. A lot of kappa agonism I think. Is buprenorphine anything like butorphanol?
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> MB
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