Posted by Randy Thomas on January 1, 2002, at 12:47:25
In reply to Re: venlafaxine PLEASE READ Sid,old school,jimmy gold, posted by OldSchool on January 1, 2002, at 10:24:26
Old Timer,
> > I have a clue for you Old Timer. Under HMO rule, heatlth care is rationed out, just like it is under Medicare. There is no reason not to go with a national healthcare plan, one that would leave people able to pay privately if they want to go that route.
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> You are a communistI am as patriotic and as American as you are, Old Timer, so I will ignore your insult.
But you see, I have seen to many hard working people fall between the cracks of the US Medical system. Some died becuase they couldnt get care, and others have suicided, after the medical bills got to be too much. Perhaps if you have always been covered with health insurance and/or have never been seriously ill, you cannot understand that.
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> > > Somehow, I dont think socialized medicine will ever go down here...I dont think it would jibe with the average American after they learned of the realities of socialized medical care.
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> > Yes, the realities that your employer will have to pay you a decent wage, instead of cheap HMO insurance plans, while your tax dollers go to pay for your healthcare and those of your fellow Americans.
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> The solution is for the American voter/consumer/taxpayer to DEMAND health insurance reform. And end the managed care phenomenom and go back to old style health insurance, like it was before HMOs/managed care. Socialized medicine would be no different (probably worse) than what we currently have in the form of managed care and HMOs.<And what would that be, OT?
The HMO's have too much $$$ to pay to have legislation stopped, and that is just what they have done. That is why they pay hugh amount of money to the legal profession when they are sued in court for witholding care from a sick or dying person.
> Both managed care insurance and socialized medicine suck. Neither are any good.Not all socialized medicine is equal. Canada an Austrialia are two that come to mind as good examples of socialized heathcare, but the UK system is not as well designed, to be sure.
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> > > My attitude about healthcare here, is we dont need socialized medical care. What we need is health insurance reform.
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> > I disagree. We need a rational national heathcare plan that keeps people on thier feet.
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> No...we need to destroy to the insurance lobby and FORCE health insurance reform on health insurance companies. Force it down their throats whether they like it or not. Then we wont need socialized medicine, with all its problems and "rationed" care. Ugh.But many states have tried that route and lost. Once again it gets back to the HMO money machine.
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> Frankly, I dont give a damn about saving my HMOs money. I will spend it all and hope they go broke.
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> > > > When you are suffering with mental illness in England,and are mentally weak it is all to easy for the doctor to ease you out of the treatment room with a prescription for some more pills to pop.I always get the impression that they don't really care.
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> > Sounds like the care you get under HMO care in the USA to me. Perhaps a look at healthceare in Aus. or Canada where operations and medications are much cheaper and the health insurance companies do not rule the roost, like in the US.
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> Which country are you in? Are you an American? Trust me, Ive heard all about the Canadian healthcare system and it aint so great. Many Canadian doctors leave Canada to come to the USA so they can make real money. Care in Canada is "rationed out" I heard it oftentimes takes months to get a MRI or CAT scan there. Here I can just walk into any ER at any hospital, complain about head pain or chest pain and voila, tests will be done whether I have health insurance or not (I have insurance BTW).I am an American, just like you. I have been on both sides of the fence as an employer and an employee, I can honestly say that I would have rather have paid higher wages to my workers then offer inferior HMO healthcare plans, that oftentimes are not suited to many individuals.
> As I said before, socialised medicine is not any better than the current managed care situation in the USA. The solution is for insurance reform...a total complete overhaul of the health insurance industry. It needs to be much more heavily regulated. Currently health insurance is not regulated in the USA enough, largely because of the powerful and wealthy insurance lobbys in Washington DC. These health insurance lobbys need to be destroyed...like Ross Perot wanted to get rid of behind the scenes special interest groups.
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> Get rid of the powerful insurance lobbying capabilities and make politicians answer directly to the American citizen voter. I guarantee you that the average American has no love of managed care insurance and would tell their politicians this is the case. But politicians currently do not listen to the American citizen as much, they listen to the health insurance lobbyists, because they are loaded with cash.
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> Reform the system instead and dont go the communist route.This is not "communism". A western governments primary reason for existance is to protect its citizens, and that just isnt happening in the USA, at present, IRT the HMO debacle.
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