Posted by JGalt on November 8, 2001, at 18:29:00
In reply to Re: GHB: Could anyone help me to know? Tks, posted by stjames on November 8, 2001, at 15:55:06
James,
Indeed it has been used as a date rape drug. Alcohol has many thousand more times. Any benzo could be used in the same way. A sleeping pill or two dissolved in a drink would produce the same effect. This is a classic case of an inanimate object (chemical) being blamed for a person's terrible thoughts and actions. If it weren't for the chemical, it is likely the same person would have resorted to much more violent methods of fulfilling their unethical desires. Indeed, the banning of GHB will cause a more terrible form of date rape, as now innocent women with nacrolepsy won't be as easily able to get the stage 4 sleep they will need and some stalker will come and rape her when she passes out, and the people who decided that it should be banned are almost as guilty as the ones who raped her.
I have read those links you provided, all of them, before I ever tried it. As I said, you have to have control of yourself when you take it. No more than once every 6 hrs, no more than a dose that reduces anxiety and causes a pleasureable feeling without causing sedation. If you use it to that point that is clearly drug ABUSE. Any drug we talk about on here can be used in an abusive manner. You have to regulate your dose and take responsibility for your actions. Several of those links (the ones that weren't funded by the government) even mention that it isn't tolerance inducing or addictive if used properly. Driving is not an acceptable activity while on a sedating dose of the chemical. If you are on a lower dose then it is no different than a benzo. If you fall asleep with a lit cigarette, that's WAY too high of a dose. You have to find the right dose, and then use it responsibly. Some people are not capable of that. If that is the case, they should never use GHB. That type of person is probably much more likely to be the type to just want to get high and then buy it on the black market and use it indiscriminately, thus furthering the wrongdoing of banning it, as it prevents those of us who can use it responsibly and would benefit greatly from it from getting it.
I'm not sure what type of drug regimine you're on, but if your doctor prescribes you klonopin, you don't dose it so high that you can't talk straight or drive right.I'd like to know, how can there be an addiction to something that does not require you to use a higher dose than before to achieve the same effects, that only induces withdraw symptoms when used improperly, that has practically no bad effects until one chooses to try to abuse it (by dosing it more than once every 6 hrs) with no prompting from his/her body. If you know what the drugs actions are, you know that dosing it more often than that and at higher doses than you need is the only way to achieve the negative sides.
Vincent, that depends on who you ask and who you are. Some people use it for a few months and finds themselves cured. This seems to be primarily people with mild forms of anxiety, irritability, dysthmia, depression, etc. I am not one of those. For me, the best relief is to use it once every 6-8 hours. I have taken periods off of it several times before but returned to the I-hate-life state that I was at before I ever tried it. Indeed, I was fully intent on ending on my life prior to using it, and I return to that feeling whenever I come off for a few days. It has been called one of the best antisuicidal drugs out there, I would tend to agree. Benzo's return me to a similar feeling as being off of ghb for too long.
There are better drugs out there for normal depression, certainly drugs that are much less dose dependant, but for a certain subset of us it is the most desireable chemical available (I say chemical as opposed to drug since it is present in your bodily tissues and in food in small amounts). I recommend you research everything you can find on it and then make an informed decision on whether or not it is right for you. The same goes for any drug or chemical you choose to ingest.
JGalt
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