Psycho-Babble Faith Thread 954562

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Lou's reply-see the point Conundrum

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 15, 2010, at 8:39:52

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-dudeh?, posted by Conundrum on July 12, 2010, at 23:17:24

> Yes, other mental demons not the drugs themselves. For instance in the video it says that using ritalin predisposes one to abusing cocaine and then mentions that Kurt Cobain was given ritalin as a child and therefore that was the reason he was suicidal. Couldn't he have been suicidal all along and especially once he became famous. It mentions he committed suicide after escaping a pyschiatric asylum. As if being in the asylum made him kill himself. He was put in the asylum AFTER he failed to kill himself. He got out and succeeded. If the asylum and psychiatry were the problem why didn't he die in the asylum? Because they were trying to help him and when he escaped he finally found peace.
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> The entire video is just clips taken out of context and sensationalized and now the thread is wondering off course.
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> This is a serious thread about the posters and their problems. Not celebrities abusing prescription and street drugs OD'ing. It trivializes what we are talking about.
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> Now the video about meth with the mice is more telling, since yes amphetamine is chemically related to meth and yes it adderall is addictive. So yes psych drugs are brain damaging (to some its damage, to others and improvement) certainly brain changing. If they weren't then poop out would not exist, because something must change in the brain in order for poop out the drug to stop working, since it is the same drug going in.
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> In that last video it seems that Gwen Owens is talking about psychotic and schizophrenic patients. Its no secret that drugs given to those patients are brain disabling.
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> The scariest thing to me isn't the antipsychotic drugs which are known to have side effects its the supposedly harmless antidepressants, dispensed as with ice cream truck readiness in nice little painted boxes. At least they've had to start including black box suicide warnings on all AD labelings and commericials. Probably another 100 years before we find out they cause brain damage.
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> And yes Lou I see your point now since, I've felt more close to the end now then I ever recall feeling when I was a teenager before I took these pills. Why go on if you can't feel? Just for everyone else I suppose, cuz you know it would destroy them if you were gone. Not like it really matters to you anyway, to have to stay alive, since you are mostly so numb to real pain except for those moments when you think about who and what you once were and how you will never be that way again and you actually manage to shed one tear. How you will never have that same spark of life you once had and how you are always in some way on a lower plane of consciousness and one step closer to rotting grey matter death. That you will never reach your full potential because your only set of equipment (your brain) is f**cked up. See I can write all of this and not feel that bad. You'd think I'd be crying but I'm not, its just the way it is matter of factly.
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> Unfortunately time isn't even a healer when it comes to brain damage. its just there. The only hope I see is taking another med to try to fix the problem. Its like trying to get back home in quantum leap. Probably impossible but worth a shot, since you're not gonna get better on your own if you hadn't in the first 7 years off the drug.
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> However I'm an exception. Many people don't have brain damage from psych drugs. Probably most don't. I think thats why its not being talked about. We are the privileged few, who unlike those in the first video who used pill to try to OD, well we reached to them in hope for a better life, in doctors and the system we trusted, and we got hemlock.
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> C,
You wrote,[...yes Lou I see your point now...when I was a teenager before I took these pills...except for those moments when you think about who and what you once... that same spark of life that you once had...one step closer to..death...another med to try to fix the problem...the system we trusted...]
There is a river. And this river takes one back to the green fields. And the river leads to the tree of life that one used to know. And there one could find restoration of joy that was once taken away.
There is a day. And in that day there will be a dreadful calling of death. But somone will be sent before the coming of that dreadful day. And for those that see the point, the Sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-see the point Lou Pilder

Posted by europerep on July 15, 2010, at 8:39:53

In reply to Lou's reply-see the point Conundrum, posted by Lou Pilder on July 13, 2010, at 5:21:20

> There is a river. And this river takes one back to the green fields. And the river leads to the tree of life that one used to know. And there one could find restoration of joy that was once taken away.
> There is a day. And in that day there will be a dreadful calling of death. But somone will be sent before the coming of that dreadful day. And for those that see the point, the Sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings.
> Lou

these kind of posts do not belong here. I am sure they do not serve any purpose that this forum (or its owner) is aiming at.
this is just some eery, mystical fantasy scenario, and nobody on here is going to find refuge in this. rather, it might hurt people or bring them on the wrong track, if they are really desperate!

 

Lou's reply-nhvrehyghn europerep

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 17, 2010, at 14:28:22

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-see the point Lou Pilder, posted by europerep on July 15, 2010, at 8:39:53

> > There is a river. And this river takes one back to the green fields. And the river leads to the tree of life that one used to know. And there one could find restoration of joy that was once taken away.
> > There is a day. And in that day there will be a dreadful calling of death. But somone will be sent before the coming of that dreadful day. And for those that see the point, the Sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings.
> > Lou
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> these kind of posts do not belong here. I am sure they do not serve any purpose that this forum (or its owner) is aiming at.
> this is just some eery, mystical fantasy scenario, and nobody on here is going to find refuge in this. rather, it might hurt people or bring them on the wrong track, if they are really desperate!
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> europerep,
In reading your post above, I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to thhe following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. in,[{these kind} of posts do not belong here.]
1a. Are there criteria that you use to determine the {kind} of post in question? If so, what are they?
2a. the post does contain a foundation of Judaism. Are you aware of that?
B. in, [I am sure they xx yyy serve zzz purpose that this forum (or its owner) is aiming at]
1b. are there criteria that you used to be sure? If so, what are they?
2b. The post does contain a foundation of Judaism. (redacted by respondent)
C. In,[this is just some wwww xxxxx yyyyyy zzzzzz]
1c. Are there criteria that you used to determine that? If so, what criteria were used?
2c. The post contains a foundation of Judaism. Is that or is that not, if you know, a 9redacted by respondent)
D. In,[...xxxxxx on here is going to find refuge in this...]
1d. What criteria, if any, did you use to write that here?
2d. What are you wanting to mean by {refuge}?
E. In, [...it might hurt people and bring them on the xxxxx track...]
1e. The post contains a foundation of Judaism that Jews that I know personally find refuge in reading that. If you know what that is in the post, could that be related to what you are wanting to mean by {might hurt people and bring them on the xxxxx track}?
2e. Is there a {right} track? If so, what is it and why?
F. In,[...if they are really desparate...]
1f. Are there criteria that you use to determine if a person is a really desparate person? If so, what could any criteria be?
2f. In using your answer, if any, to the above, could in your opinion a really desparate person be allowed to have the opportunity to be presented with a foundation of Judaism here so that they could make their own determinaton as to if they could be healed or not by having an understanding of that foundation of Judaism?
2f. Could there be in a foundation of Judaism something unbeknownst to you that could be used for healing by a desparate person?
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-nhvrehyghn

Posted by europerep on July 18, 2010, at 15:16:28

In reply to Lou's reply-nhvrehyghn europerep, posted by Lou Pilder on July 17, 2010, at 14:28:22

look, I will not enter into these kind of "discussions".. I personally consider that a lot of what you say does not represent useful and respectful contribution to this board, but I accept that fighting does not represent useful contributions either.

I have to say, and this is not intended to be offensive at all (!), I sometimes wonder whether you suffer from untreated psychosis.. this makes it all the more difficult for me to understand what you aim at with your posts..

 

Re: please be civil europerep

Posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2010, at 14:29:43

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-nhvrehyghn, posted by europerep on July 18, 2010, at 15:16:28

> I personally consider that a lot of what you say does not represent useful and respectful contribution to this board

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.

It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may be required. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.

More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce

Lou, I'm also sorry if you felt hurt.

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.

Thanks,

Bob

 

Redirect: administrative issues

Posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2010, at 18:00:24

In reply to Re: please be civil europerep, posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2010, at 14:29:43

> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.

Here's a link:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100714/msgs/955493.html

Thanks,

Bob


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