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Re: Lou's response-secndth Lou PIlder

Posted by SLS on April 3, 2010, at 18:17:53

In reply to Lou's response-secndth, posted by Lou PIlder on April 3, 2010, at 15:54:20

> This thread is involved in discussion as to if those that use mind-altering drugs will or will not be cast into the Lake of Fire as in the bible in question here.

I guess I missed your point. I am interested in knowing what data you are working with.

If you are to focus the discussion solely around the words of the bible and the interpretation thereof, I would be grateful if you would cite some of the verses in the bible that you feel demonstrate the validity of your thesis. I would also profit from being provided with a short list of some of the chemicals that God deems to be mind-altering, and the criteria by which one is to recognize them.

Thanks.


- Scott

 

Lou's reply-farmah SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 11:01:25

In reply to Re: Lou's response-secndth Lou PIlder, posted by SLS on April 3, 2010, at 18:17:53

> > This thread is involved in discussion as to if those that use mind-altering drugs will or will not be cast into the Lake of Fire as in the bible in question here.
>
> I guess I missed your point. I am interested in knowing what data you are working with.
>
> If you are to focus the discussion solely around the words of the bible and the interpretation thereof, I would be grateful if you would cite some of the verses in the bible that you feel demonstrate the validity of your thesis. I would also profit from being provided with a short list of some of the chemicals that God deems to be mind-altering, and the criteria by which one is to recognize them.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> - Scott
>
Scott,
You wrote.[...I am interested...if you would cite...].
The subject here is if the bible in question here prescribes that those that use, provide, ect mind-altering chemicals will be cast into the Lake of Fire. There has been a citation of Rev 21:8 where BF posts a link to an exposition of that chapter that does say that {sorcerers} are those involved some way in drug-induced conditions.
The word in that bible, {sorcerer} is translated from a Greek word, [...pharmakeia, pharmakeus...]. We get the word {pharmacy} and {pharmaceuticals} from that Greek word. The discussion here is if these passages are about or not the use of mind-altering drugs that could be a part of {sorcery} that the bible here prescribes that those that practice such are cast into the Lake of fire according to verses in the book called revelation and other books also.
That bible writes about what happens to the sorcerers in Rev 21:8 and in other passages such as Rev 22:14-15 among other verses in other books.
The concern here by me is to offer support and education to save lives. And to offer what has been revealed to me about the scriptures in question concerning the fate of those that use mind-altering chemicals, also called medicines here. And if you could ask other questions, I could have the opportunity to respondd accordingly.
Lou


 

Re: Lou's reply-farmah Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on April 4, 2010, at 11:24:39

In reply to Lou's reply-farmah SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 11:01:25

Do you accept the New Testament as gospel?


- Scott

 

Re: Lou's reply-farmah

Posted by SLS on April 4, 2010, at 11:29:25

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-farmah Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 4, 2010, at 11:24:39

> Do you accept the New Testament as gospel?

Sorry. Never mind.

That question is not particularly productive on this forum.


- Scott

 

Re: Lou's reply-farmah

Posted by SLS on April 4, 2010, at 12:13:45

In reply to Lou's reply-farmah SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 11:01:25

> The concern here by me is to offer support and education to save lives.

Ok. That is my concern as well.

> And if you could ask other questions, I could have the opportunity to respondd accordingly.

You can first try answering the ones I have already asked. If you are intent on dissuading people from taking life-saving medicines, it would be helpful if you were to respond to the following:

"I would be grateful if you would cite some of the verses in the bible that you feel demonstrate the validity of your thesis. I would also profit from being provided with a short list of some of the chemicals that God deems to be mind-altering, and the criteria by which one is to recognize them"


- Scott

 

Lou's reply-phoudtnovjudsm SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 15:05:43

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-farmah, posted by SLS on April 4, 2010, at 12:13:45

> > The concern here by me is to offer support and education to save lives.
>
> Ok. That is my concern as well.
>
> > And if you could ask other questions, I could have the opportunity to respondd accordingly.
>
> You can first try answering the ones I have already asked. If you are intent on dissuading people from taking life-saving medicines, it would be helpful if you were to respond to the following:
>
> "I would be grateful if you would cite some of the verses in the bible that you feel demonstrate the validity of your thesis. I would also profit from being provided with a short list of some of the chemicals that God deems to be mind-altering, and the criteria by which one is to recognize them"
>
>
> - Scott

Scott,
You wrote,[...dissuading people...]
This thread is involving as to if the bible in question here consigns those that take or supply mind-altering drugs to the Lake of Fire. This involves many bible verses and in particular thhose concerning sorcery.
People who are interested in this from my perspective, or from your or other's perspective, can make their own determination as to if or if not they consider whatever is posted here by any member in regards to their decisions. It is not my intention to dissuade one from taking mind-altering drugs, but to offer support and education to thiose in order for them to make their own decisions. Some people believe that the bible in question here is the Truth and The Word of God. Others in this discussion may not accept that.
As to your questions, I could not post some answers to them in this forum, for they would come from a Jewish perspective where Mr. Hsiung has posted to me a threat to expell me from this community if I was to post that foundation of my faith which I believe.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-phoudtnovjudsm Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on April 4, 2010, at 15:52:19

In reply to Lou's reply-phoudtnovjudsm SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 15:05:43

You don't need to provide commentary on the words found in the bible that you think support your contentions. You only need to cite them as I have done previously as per your request. If you would like to suggest to others that the bible consigns people who take Prozac to a fiery hell, don't you think you should support your contentions with the proof you say is contained in the words of the bible by simply producing them? If not, that's ok.


- Scott

 

Re: Lou's reply-phoudtnovjudsm Lou Pilder

Posted by Sigismund on April 4, 2010, at 16:04:00

In reply to Lou's reply-phoudtnovjudsm SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 15:05:43

Do you think science then is sorcery, Lou?

Why didn't I think of that?

 

Lou's reply-hamroutawrning SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 20:53:20

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-phoudtnovjudsm Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 4, 2010, at 15:52:19

> You don't need to provide commentary on the words found in the bible that you think support your contentions. You only need to cite them as I have done previously as per your request. If you would like to suggest to others that the bible consigns people who take Prozac to a fiery hell, don't you think you should support your contentions with the proof you say is contained in the words of the bible by simply producing them? If not, that's ok.
>
>
> - Scott

Scott,
You wrote,[...need to cite them...]
Let us look at Galatians 5 verses 19-21.
One of the things in the list is {witchcraft}. Sorcery is a subset of witchcraft.
Now let us look at Revelation 9, verse 21. Since they did not repent, then go to rev 21:8 and rev 22 verse 15.
But those are only a small part of verses of the whole aspect of mind-altering drugs that the bible talks about.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-hamroutawrning Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on April 4, 2010, at 21:07:36

In reply to Lou's reply-hamroutawrning SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 20:53:20

> > You don't need to provide commentary on the words found in the bible that you think support your contentions. You only need to cite them as I have done previously as per your request. If you would like to suggest to others that the bible consigns people who take Prozac to a fiery hell, don't you think you should support your contentions with the proof you say is contained in the words of the bible by simply producing them? If not, that's ok.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> You wrote,[...need to cite them...]
> Let us look at Galatians 5 verses 19-21.
> One of the things in the list is {witchcraft}. Sorcery is a subset of witchcraft.
> Now let us look at Revelation 9, verse 21. Since they did not repent, then go to rev 21:8 and rev 22 verse 15.
> But those are only a small part of verses of the whole aspect of mind-altering drugs that the bible talks about.
> Lou


Thank you.

To start with, we will need a definition of the word "sorcery" and whether or not the synthesis of medicines qualifies as being such.

The following are the words to the three citations you provided. I do not see anything that equates sorcery with the practice of medicine. Do you?

"Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God"

"nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their immorality or their thefts."

"Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood."


- Scott

 

Lou's reply-bokovlieph

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 21:13:28

In reply to Lou's reply-hamroutawrning SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 20:53:20

> > You don't need to provide commentary on the words found in the bible that you think support your contentions. You only need to cite them as I have done previously as per your request. If you would like to suggest to others that the bible consigns people who take Prozac to a fiery hell, don't you think you should support your contentions with the proof you say is contained in the words of the bible by simply producing them? If not, that's ok.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> You wrote,[...need to cite them...]
> Let us look at Galatians 5 verses 19-21.
> One of the things in the list is {witchcraft}. Sorcery is a subset of witchcraft.
> Now let us look at Revelation 9, verse 21. Since they did not repent, then go to rev 21:8 and rev 22 verse 15.
> But those are only a small part of verses of the whole aspect of mind-altering drugs that the bible talks about.
> Lou

Scott,
Noe let us look at rev 20, verse 15.
Here we have those that are cast into the Lake of Fire. But how is one's name to be put into the Book of Life? But more important in this discussion IMO is rev 3:5. Here it tells of how one's name can stay in the Book of Life.
And if we look at Matt 7 verses 21-23, we find that there is another aspect of this.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-bokovlieph

Posted by SLS on April 5, 2010, at 7:35:45

In reply to Lou's reply-bokovlieph, posted by Lou Pilder on April 4, 2010, at 21:13:28

Here are the words to the three verses you cited. They do not appear to support your thesis. There is no mention of sorcery, and one cannot infer a definition thereof from within the text. Additionally, we find no reference to "mind-altering chemicals" or the practice of medicine. I do not see that you have demonstrated any support to your contentions. At this juncture, you have not provided any evidence that the practice of psychiatry is sorcery and that the synthesis and application of psychiatric drugs is proscribed in the bible.


- Scott

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"and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

" He who conquers shall be clad thus in white garments, and I will not blot his name out of the book of life; I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels."

"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'"

 

Lou's reply-thmidovgd SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2010, at 8:27:04

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-bokovlieph, posted by SLS on April 5, 2010, at 7:35:45

> Here are the words to the three verses you cited. They do not appear to support your thesis. There is no mention of sorcery, and one cannot infer a definition thereof from within the text. Additionally, we find no reference to "mind-altering chemicals" or the practice of medicine. I do not see that you have demonstrated any support to your contentions. At this juncture, you have not provided any evidence that the practice of psychiatry is sorcery and that the synthesis and application of psychiatric drugs is proscribed in the bible.
>
>
> - Scott
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
> "and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
>
> " He who conquers shall be clad thus in white garments, and I will not blot his name out of the book of life; I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels."
>
> "Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'"

Scott,
You wrote,[...there is no mention of sorcery...no mention of mind-altering chemicals...].
In order for this topic to be understood, all of what the bible says could clarify about mind-altering drugs and what or/and who are the sorcerers and such.
But the thread here is about what the bible says, not what I think it says or even if it is about if I believe it or not.
To understand more about sorcerers, the word in that bible is pharmakia in the Greek. The book that the word is in was written in the ancient time many many centuries ago. At that time, there were no drug stores or the AMA or such. Drugs were made usually from plants. The sorcerers used the drugs from the plants for mind-altering purposes, or to poison, not to heal.
The verses were cited by me because of a connection with the Book of Life and other verses which I can not cite here due to that they could involve posting the Jewish perspective, the foundation of Judaism, and there is a post here by Mr. Hsiung threatening me with expulsion from this community if I was to post that foundation as revealed to me that I believe.
If you would like to understand more about the word sorcerer, there is Strong's, Theyer's and other lexicons that could give you more infomation. But the overiding aspect of this discussion I have not even opened up to yet, for it involves the God of the bible in question here as to the mind, and the Book of Life, and what that God says about the use of mind-altering drugs in relation to God's will and the Lake of Fire.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-thmidovgd Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on April 5, 2010, at 9:53:41

In reply to Lou's reply-thmidovgd SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2010, at 8:27:04

> In order for this topic to be understood, all of what the bible says could clarify about mind-altering drugs and what or/and who are the sorcerers and such.

Isn't presuming the meaning of the bible in its entirety a matter of interpretation?

> But the thread here is about what the bible says, not what I think it says or even if it is about if I believe it or not.

It seems to me that your conclusions rely almost entirely on your own personal interpretations of the words contained in the bible.

So far, my own interpretations of the verses you have cited is that it is an acceptable practice to use Prozac to treat depressive disorders. So, I guess we have a difference of opinion based upon our individual interpretations of the bible rather than a contradiction of ascertainable facts.


- Scott

 

Lou's reply-rev SLS

Posted by Lou PIlder on April 5, 2010, at 14:57:03

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-thmidovgd Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 5, 2010, at 9:53:41

> > In order for this topic to be understood, all of what the bible says could clarify about mind-altering drugs and what or/and who are the sorcerers and such.
>
> Isn't presuming the meaning of the bible in its entirety a matter of interpretation?
>
> > But the thread here is about what the bible says, not what I think it says or even if it is about if I believe it or not.
>
> It seems to me that your conclusions rely almost entirely on your own personal interpretations of the words contained in the bible.
>
> So far, my own interpretations of the verses you have cited is that it is an acceptable practice to use Prozac to treat depressive disorders. So, I guess we have a difference of opinion based upon our individual interpretations of the bible rather than a contradiction of ascertainable facts.
>
>
> - Scott

Scott,
You wrote,[...the meaning of the bible in its entirety a matter of interpretation?...your conclusions...personal interpretations...].
There are many interpretations of the meaning of the entirety of the bible. Those interpretations are IMO not the same as a revelation of the meaning.
When I write about aspects of the bible, it is that what I write has been revealed to me.
I do not think that I have posted any conclusions here, but have just posted citations to verses. Those that read those verses could see them and make their own determination as to what they mean. But they say what they say. I do not believe that I have posted what has been revealed to me about those citations here yet. Nor can I, for Mr. Hsiung has posted a threat to expell me from this community if I was to post what has been revealed to me about them, which could cause me to post the Jewish perspective, the foundation of Judaism, which has been revealed to me that I believe.
And this brings up something that had happened to me last year. A minister of a popular denomination contacted me as he had an episode and was diagnoed as BP. He was given the popular drug combination and our discusssion was about if taking mind-altering drugs was in the will of God as he thought. We both agreed that it depended upon if his mind would be open or not to satanic forces as a result of taking mind-altering drugs and/or if the drugs became before his God. This is another aspect of this thread's topic that I have not posted about yet which is part of the entirety of the bible. He died suddenly the day before we were to meet to conclude our discussion.
Lou

 

Lou's response-intc SLS

Posted by Lou PIlder on April 5, 2010, at 15:36:54

In reply to Re: Lou's response-secndth Lou PIlder, posted by SLS on April 3, 2010, at 18:17:53

> > This thread is involved in discussion as to if those that use mind-altering drugs will or will not be cast into the Lake of Fire as in the bible in question here.
>
> I guess I missed your point. I am interested in knowing what data you are working with.
>
> If you are to focus the discussion solely around the words of the bible and the interpretation thereof, I would be grateful if you would cite some of the verses in the bible that you feel demonstrate the validity of your thesis. I would also profit from being provided with a short list of some of the chemicals that God deems to be mind-altering, and the criteria by which one is to recognize them.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> - Scott
>
Scott,
you wrote,[...provide a short list and the criteria...]
And in another place here,[..if they are taken intellegently...]. Were the people named in this video unintelllegent?
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWr1GK7w1uE

 

Re: Lou's response-intc Lou PIlder

Posted by SLS on April 5, 2010, at 16:39:40

In reply to Lou's response-intc SLS, posted by Lou PIlder on April 5, 2010, at 15:36:54

> And in another place here,[..if they are taken intellegently...].

My words were: "when used intelligently."

Don't do that anymore.


- Scott

 

Lou's reply-listovdrugs SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2010, at 19:32:18

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-thmidovgd Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 5, 2010, at 9:53:41

> > In order for this topic to be understood, all of what the bible says could clarify about mind-altering drugs and what or/and who are the sorcerers and such.
>
> Isn't presuming the meaning of the bible in its entirety a matter of interpretation?
>
> > But the thread here is about what the bible says, not what I think it says or even if it is about if I believe it or not.
>
> It seems to me that your conclusions rely almost entirely on your own personal interpretations of the words contained in the bible.
>
> So far, my own interpretations of the verses you have cited is that it is an acceptable practice to use Prozac to treat depressive disorders. So, I guess we have a difference of opinion based upon our individual interpretations of the bible rather than a contradiction of ascertainable facts.
>
>
> - Scott

Scott,
You wrote,[...your own ..interpretations of biblical words...]
The interpretation of {sorcerer} is not mine, for it is comming from a Greek word, {pharmakia} which the lexicons state to be drugs, where the word pharmacy comes from.
Sorcerers are defined in lexicons and bible commentaries as those that use mind-altering drugs to poison or control people. Another source is a book by W.E. Wise that defines the word sorcery as such and there is the citation here by BF.
Now the sorcerer has many plants and other substances from insects and snakes to use to cut up and combine to be mind-altering. I also know of the use of by-products from smelting. Here is a list of a few
Jimson weed
mistletoe berries
poison hemlock
rhododendeon
pointsettia leaves
poison mushrooms
hemp
opium
alcohol as fermented in drink
insect and snake poisons
Now the sorcerer could poison another so that the other would die. But the sorcerer found that by giving the person small amounts of the substance without killing the person, then the person's mind could be controlled. The chemicals in the substance beacame mind-altering to deminish or blunt the person's thinking and make them easily controlled. What they may have not known is how those plant chemicals worked to poison. They are neuro-toxins, similar in action to neuroleptic drugs. They then were used as insecticides and rat poison.
Now we are discussing as to if the bible says that it is or is not God's will that people take mind-altering drugs. And there are verses that tell of the fate of sorcerers. Now if there are numerous lexicons that state that the Greek word pharmakia means drugs, and sorcerers are those that use drugs to poison or alter the mind of someone, then I think that this is useful infomation to the person here that believes that the bible is the Word of God and wants to do God's will and not have their name blotted out of the Book of Life. But there is much more to this.
Lou

 

Lou's reply- SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2010, at 21:22:27

In reply to Re: Lou's response-intc Lou PIlder, posted by SLS on April 5, 2010, at 16:39:40

> > And in another place here,[..if they are taken intellegently...].
>
> My words were: "when used intelligently."
>
> Don't do that anymore.
>
>
> - Scott

Scott,
You wrote,[...do not do {that} anymore...].
I do not use quotes here because I write from my memory which is not always perfect and have poor hand-eye contact. I am a lousy pool-player. I really can not do better. So what I see is not always what I can write. I am trying to understand what any difference could be in {when taken} an {when used}. To me, they convey the same thing. But if you could post here what the difference could be, then I could understand and have a discussion about it to bring out your point.
Lou

 

Re:

Posted by SLS on April 5, 2010, at 22:14:06

In reply to Lou's reply- SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 5, 2010, at 21:22:27

> Scott,
you wrote,[...provide a short list and the criteria...]
And in another place here,[..if they are taken intellegently...]. Were the people named in this video unintelllegent?

> I do not use quotes here because I write from my memory which is not always perfect

You have demonstrated along this thread the ability to retrieve text from previous posts.


- Scott

 

Lou's reply-scidy Sigismund

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 7, 2010, at 6:43:06

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-phoudtnovjudsm Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on April 4, 2010, at 16:04:00

> Do you think science then is sorcery, Lou?
>
> Why didn't I think of that?

Sigismund,
You wrote,[...science..is sorcery,...?...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If this is in reklation to the topic of this thread, if you could post answers to the following, thwn I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What branch of science could be included in what you are wanting to mean?
B. If sorcery is the use of drugs to poison someone to make them die, or alter one's mind to make them controllable, would the science that you are wanting to mean here be related to this forum?
C. If so, how?
D. other questions if the above are answered
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-scidy Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on April 7, 2010, at 7:13:55

In reply to Lou's reply-scidy Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on April 7, 2010, at 6:43:06

> If sorcery is the use of drugs to poison someone to make them die, or alter one's mind to make them controllable, would the science that you are wanting to mean here be related to this forum?

In the above question, you provide a definition of the word "sorcery". Which of the drugs used in the healing art of psychiatry do you feel qualify as agents of sorcery when used in the manner prescribed for treating mental illness?


- Scott

 

Lou's reply-duzitmaddr? SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on April 7, 2010, at 9:25:23

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-scidy Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 7, 2010, at 7:13:55

> > If sorcery is the use of drugs to poison someone to make them die, or alter one's mind to make them controllable, would the science that you are wanting to mean here be related to this forum?
>
> In the above question, you provide a definition of the word "sorcery". Which of the drugs used in the healing art of psychiatry do you feel qualify as agents of sorcery when used in the manner prescribed for treating mental illness?
>
>
> - Scott

Scott,
You wrote,[...drugs used..agents of sorcery...].
Thousands of years ago there were those that used plants to alter the mind of others. There were also insects, spiders, and later chemicals as by-products from chemical dyes and metalurgy and rat and worm and insect poisons.
The uses of the drugs, the agents of the sorcerer, were to make the subject confused and have distorted judgment and have them loose their humananity. The drugs had the potential to induce the subject taking the drug into an artificial psychosis, subhuman, sexless, and demished intellegence. They could also be addicted to the sorcerer's chemicals and had to come back for more, and pay. They sometimes were given drugs that caused hallucinations. The sorcerer could give them a drug to try to turn them into murderers. Hashish was one of those and we get our word {assassin} from those that were given hashish.
The drugs were given by torturers to attempt to extract infomation from the subjct given the drug.
Some of these drugs came from mushrooms and cactus plants and the coaco bush and hemp . Urea and an ester from apples made up the barbituates and some ergots were hallucinogenic.
Now the sorcerer did not have the knowlege of how nerve agents or neuro-toxins or neuroleptics work as we know today. Today, chemists can synthesize compounds that have psychoactive effects.
But I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Would the person's intent that gives another a mind-altering drug that has the potential to make the person want to kill themself, or be addicted to it, or cause them to be dehumanized, be what is needed to determine if sorcery is or is not practiced?
B. If so, how could you determine the person's intent?
C. other questions if the above are answerd.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-duzitmaddr? Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on April 7, 2010, at 10:08:46

In reply to Lou's reply-duzitmaddr? SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 7, 2010, at 9:25:23

> Would the person's intent that gives another a mind-altering drug that has the potential to make the person want to kill themself, or be addicted to it, or cause them to be dehumanized, be what is needed to determine if sorcery is or is not practiced?

I believe you will find the answer to this question in your own words as they are contained in a previous post: "If sorcery is the use of drugs to poison someone to make them die, or alter one's mind to make them controllable..."

How do you define the term "mind-altering"? What must occur?


- Scott

 

Re: Lou's reply-duzitmaddr? Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on April 7, 2010, at 13:25:25

In reply to Lou's reply-duzitmaddr? SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 7, 2010, at 9:25:23

> > Would the person's intent that gives another a mind-altering drug that has the potential to make the person want to kill themself, or be addicted to it, or cause them to be dehumanized, be what is needed to determine if sorcery is or is not practiced?
>
> I believe you will find the answer to this question in your own words as they are contained in a previous post: "If sorcery is the use of drugs to poison someone to make them die, or alter one's mind to make them controllable..."
>
> How do you define the term "mind-altering"? What must occur?

Sorry. I guess you already answered that question as well. You suggest that it must render one controllable.

I doubt that we will resolve our differences on the issues surrounding the use of psychiatric medicines to treat mental illness and how the bible may be interpreted regarding this practice. I don't think the bible prohibits the use of Prozac to treat depressive disorders.


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