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Re: grace?

Posted by Fivefires on February 26, 2007, at 12:12:05

In reply to grace?, posted by spriggy on February 25, 2007, at 22:22:54

Well Spriggy, all, I understand.

I must have a hard time receiving it. Or, maybe it's here and I won't allow myself to succumb to it. That would be likely. If 'we think we are bad', the grace probably can't get through. I was raised Cath and fear the sin or be damned to purg or hell theology. I've always said 'I don't need to go to church to be in contact w/ a higher power' or 'the 12 steps are a way to your higher power'. But, what I do, is pray by myself. I ask for guidance, but have a hard time giving up the steering wheel for fear someone might hurt me. I wonder if our higher power ever thought life would be so difficult. I'm so afraid to let go and receive, because society demands us to 'play the game right' or be left alone.

5f

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Fivefires

Posted by rayww on February 26, 2007, at 22:36:35

In reply to Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Fivefires on February 24, 2007, at 21:54:31

Grace, an enabling power.

 

Excellent! (nm) rayww

Posted by gardenergirl on February 26, 2007, at 22:43:10

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Fivefires, posted by rayww on February 26, 2007, at 22:36:35

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Fivefires

Posted by gardenergirl on February 26, 2007, at 22:44:13

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? gardenergirl, posted by Fivefires on February 25, 2007, at 15:38:21

That's a lovely verse, 5F. I hope you're finding some relief in using these words to soothe.

namaste

gg

 

Re: grace? spriggy

Posted by Crazy Horse on March 1, 2007, at 13:49:15

In reply to grace?, posted by spriggy on February 25, 2007, at 22:22:54

> Grace: given freely by a loving God to free us from sin, fear, death.
>
> (more than 4 or 5 words) but I did my best.
>
>
A Free Gift (Jesus).

-Monte

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?

Posted by louly on March 3, 2007, at 22:25:23

In reply to Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Fivefires on February 24, 2007, at 21:54:31

Unearned gifts from God
God's divine intercession in life-Through our Lord Jesus Christ
(for those picky on doctrine)
Tough to sum up the crux of Christianity. As a recovered alcoholic I live by grace.

JUST IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T been bombarded by the beautiful hymn Amazing Grace

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.
T'was Grace that taught...
my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear...
the hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares...
we have already come.
T'was Grace that brought us safe thus far...
and Grace will lead us home.
The Lord has promised good to me...
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be...
as long as life endures.

When we've been here ten thousand years...
bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise...
then when we've first begun.

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? louly

Posted by Dinah on March 4, 2007, at 13:38:39

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by louly on March 3, 2007, at 22:25:23

I like "unearned gifts from God"

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?

Posted by Declan on March 4, 2007, at 17:48:08

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? louly, posted by Dinah on March 4, 2007, at 13:38:39

I don't want it to sound as if I'm lowering the tone, but there is a Grateful Dead song, the relevant lines of which go....
'Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of men.'

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? louly

Posted by Fivefires on March 9, 2007, at 7:54:25

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by louly on March 3, 2007, at 22:25:23

Louly,

Anne Murray sings Amazing Grace beautifully!

>How precious did that Grace appear...
the hour I first believed.>
>

Don't ya' dislike it when someone says, "I just got it! I fell to my knees and my life was changed! I'm saved!", like it was a huge event, like seeing a vision. Anyone relate? 'Cuz I gotta say, if this happened to me, I missed it! And if a vision came to me, I didn't see it. When I heard someone say the former, I'd think, 'well I want/need that too'! Yes, I did. But, now, think I know better. This could be an ever so silent message or happening, I believe.

The first step in AA/NA/whateverA, mayB a good mantra or Serenity Prayer. I've thought of attending NA v. a church. Any1 else do this?

I see a lot of followups and good ideas.

I really needed this!

grace=forgiveness?, 5f

ps: Been too ill to post 4 a stint; on mend I believe.

pss: For those picky on doctrine; pls forgive my lack of knowledge of it.

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?

Posted by Fivefires on March 9, 2007, at 8:01:08

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by louly on March 3, 2007, at 22:25:23

Sorry louly ... babble etiquette rusty.

I shouldn't have checked 'add name of previous poster'.

My message to/for u or any1.

5f

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Declan

Posted by Fivefires on March 9, 2007, at 17:31:06

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Declan on March 4, 2007, at 17:48:08

Which album .?. do you know .?. Declan?

tks 5f

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?

Posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2007, at 22:57:15

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Declan, posted by Fivefires on March 9, 2007, at 17:31:06

Grace was my Mother's name. Love Phillipa she died at 48.

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?

Posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2007, at 23:01:54

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2007, at 22:57:15

And when my youngest was sick in the hospital at l8months old and wouldn't eat I went home to bed and two nights in a row Christ visited me in my room dreamlike in a low flowing robe of off white and the message in his eyes was be strong. First night ignored it second night didn't. Went to the hospital looked at my child and said if she wants to live she will. And she got better than day. Don't know what that vision was. Love Phillipa ps does Christ make visits like this?

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Phillipa

Posted by Fivefires on March 10, 2007, at 0:24:42

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2007, at 22:57:15

Then your grandmother had excellent taste P. It is a wonderful name. So sorry u lost your mother at a young age.

5f

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Phillipa

Posted by Fivefires on March 10, 2007, at 0:26:29

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2007, at 23:01:54

I think so.

5f

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?

Posted by Declan on March 10, 2007, at 18:01:49

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Declan, posted by Fivefires on March 9, 2007, at 17:31:06

The song is Ripple, and the album is "American Beauty".

I've listened to it way too much, but I think it's the most tasteful album ever really.

 

Lyrics by Robert Hunter

Posted by Declan on March 10, 2007, at 18:11:49

If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come through the music
Would you hold it near as it were your own?

It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken
Perhaps they're better left unsung
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air


(Chorus)
Ripple in still water
When there is no pebble tossed
Nor wind to blow

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty
If your cup is full may it be again
Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of men

There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone

(Chorus)

You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home

La dee da da da, la da da da da, da da da, da da, da da da da da
La da da da, la da da, da da, la da da da, la da, da da.

 

Re: Lyrics by Robert Hunter

Posted by Declan on March 10, 2007, at 18:14:35

In reply to Lyrics by Robert Hunter, posted by Declan on March 10, 2007, at 18:11:49

The lyrics are for Ripple and were intended for the thread above.

Reading the lyrics and having the song go through my head reminds me of how much I love it.

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Declan

Posted by Fivefires on March 11, 2007, at 21:04:00

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Declan on March 10, 2007, at 18:01:49

Well then, I'll take over listening to it for a while. Cut, printed, and hopefully in my hands and head when $ allows.

tks 5f

 

Re: Lyrics by Robert Hunter Declan

Posted by fayeroe on March 13, 2007, at 18:54:23

In reply to Re: Lyrics by Robert Hunter, posted by Declan on March 10, 2007, at 18:14:35

> The lyrics are for Ripple and were intended for the thread above.
>
> Reading the lyrics and having the song go through my head reminds me of how much I love it.

well.......i loved it.......thank you so much for posting it........pat

 

Re: Lyrics by Robert Hunter Declan

Posted by Fivefires on April 6, 2007, at 10:43:03

In reply to Lyrics by Robert Hunter, posted by Declan on March 10, 2007, at 18:11:49

Yeah Declan it is beautiful.

I feel heartache tho' when read

If u may fall, u fall alone

Do u?

5f

 

Re: Lyrics by Robert Hunter

Posted by Fivefires on June 1, 2007, at 23:28:04

In reply to Re: Lyrics by Robert Hunter Declan, posted by Fivefires on April 6, 2007, at 10:43:03

Hey Declan. This was a long time ago, but I think I undertand now. If you fall, you fall alone, well I see this as good. For if I were falling, I would not grab onto any of you so that you would fall too!

Am I on the right track now Declan?

I'm gonna' change my name, and I'll give you one guess what it will be!

5f

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Fivefires

Posted by Krystophr' on August 4, 2007, at 12:48:01

In reply to Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Fivefires on February 24, 2007, at 21:54:31

> I'd like to learn to have grace.
>
> I need it b4 I can have hope.
>
> I need a few words that I can repeat over and over to myself.
>
> TYanyone4help, 5f

Greetings, may the Grace and peace of our Lord and Creator YHVH(Yahweh), Yahshua ha Mashiach(Jesus Christ), Roauch ha Kadesh,(The Holy Spirit)be with you.

Grace is an act of emotion , along the lines of forgiveness. One can have hope and grace, for they go hand in hand. Know this! All have received Grace from our Creator, because the way we lost grace was not our fault. Remember: Darkness can not hide from Light. Light defuses all darkness. Very soon, all that live, and have lived, by putting their faith in our Creator shall be rewarded with Infinite Existance. Most unfortunate for those that have not the faith I speak of, for they are doomed to Infinate Non-existance if they do not change there minds. If you wish to find the answers you seek, read the Bible for yourself. Don't let others read it for you. Read it and ask our Creator to guide you to the answers. The Grace our Creator bestows on us is the evidence that the Creator cares for us all. Do not entertain any thoughts that lead you to anger, envy, hatered and the like, for demons are the ones that give such ideas. Focus on Love, kindness, mercy, generousity, for these are the gifts that show the Spirit of the Most High Creator working in your life. Let your prayers be concise and to the point, for many think that long winded prayers is what The Creators needs to hear in order for their prayers to be answered. However this is not true. The Creator knows what we need before we ever ask. Do not pray to have the things of this world for they will not last. Have Faith and your prayers will be answered. You would not have asked for the definition of grace if you had not already reciecved it from our Creator. Those that have no Faith in our Creator, have no interest in a life of purity nor having a blameless soul when the time comes for the Great Day of the LORDS Judgement, which is coming upon the wicked people of the world that have refused to live in the knowledge of their Creator and abused their fellow human kind and the Earth. The Creator wants that ALL would live in this knowledge so that none would be lost when the Creator puts an end to wickedness. Live by Faith as have many throughout history. Do not give worship to any humans or any Idols made by Human hands. For the things of this wicked world are soon to pass away and a new Heaven and Earth will be made where pain, sorrow, sickness and death will not exist. Only the Faithful will inherit the New Earth and be with the Creator Forever.

May peace be with you
Krystophr'
(messenger of Christ)

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Krystophr'

Posted by Fivefires on August 4, 2007, at 15:13:30

In reply to Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words? Fivefires, posted by Krystophr' on August 4, 2007, at 12:48:01

Thank you for the wonderful message!!!

Recently I've pondered too, why it is we suffer, and another messenger told me 'to realize fulfillment'.

I felt fulfillment this morning in a gap somewhere in my racing thoughts.

You've encouraged me to try stay strong and to keep moving on with hope and with grace.

Thanks for sharing your gift of putting faith into words.

Pls visit and share your healing with us again.

sincerely, 5f

p.s. It's as if you read my mind when you said to read the bible myself. Unless we make the effort to understand it ourselves and allow ourselves to interpret it in a way we need, I fear we could misunderstand it.

 

Re: Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?

Posted by rina on August 18, 2007, at 17:19:36

In reply to Can some1 define 'grace' in 4-5 words?, posted by Fivefires on February 24, 2007, at 21:54:31

God's unmerited favor.


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