Psycho-Babble Faith Thread 681668

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I'm from the south and I have a point to make.

Posted by madeline on August 31, 2006, at 7:05:58

Let me say that I am all about being from the south. I love it. I wouldn't live anywhere else. As a result, I see the confederate flag flying nearly every single day in one form or the other. Do I fly that flag over my house?
Absolutely NOT.
I know that to a whole lot of people that flag represents slavery, oppression and war. Therefore, being sensitive to those people, I support all efforts to ban that flag from public display, even though I may see it as a symbol of southern pride and nothing else. I don't care if they are right or wrong, those people offended by this flag have a right to have their feelings respected, despite how I may feel about the south and my pride in it.

I feel the same way about whether or not the jews killed christ. It shouldn't matter. To me, something, even if it just a statement, that has been exploited and used to justify anti-semitism is dangerous and disrespectful.
I think we are all entitled to our beliefs, but we are NOT entitled to use those beliefs to denigrate others.

Just my opinion.

Maddie

 

Lou's response to madeline's post

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 31, 2006, at 10:31:32

In reply to I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by madeline on August 31, 2006, at 7:05:58

Friends,
It is written,[...used to justify antisemitism...not entitiled...]
My thanks to those that have an understanding of the above. You see, it is this very thing that I would like to show you in relation to how these type of statements that have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings have been posted here. It is not posting the statement in and of itself, for one needs to do so in order to identify the statement. And is not the statement posted on the admoinistrative board because it is a subject of the administration's policy?.
If you would like to see posts of this nature you could email me if you like at
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Lou

 

Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make.

Posted by Declan on August 31, 2006, at 14:37:46

In reply to I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by madeline on August 31, 2006, at 7:05:58

Is it in Mathew (it's what you expect from John) where it's said 'His blood be on us and on our children and our children's children'?
It's unspeakable, IMO.

 

Lou's response to aspects of this thread

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 31, 2006, at 14:51:33

In reply to Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by Declan on August 31, 2006, at 14:37:46

Friends,
It is written here,[...is it in...?]
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Lou

 

I'm NOT from the south but I have a point to make.

Posted by finelinebob on August 31, 2006, at 23:33:02

In reply to Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by Declan on August 31, 2006, at 14:37:46

It is said in the introduction to "The Quaker Reader", edited by Jessamyn West:

"When William Penn asked [George] Fox what to do about the sword which he was accustomed, as a well-dressed seventeenth-century gentleman, to wear at his side, Fox reputedly replied, "Wear it as long as thee can." By which Fox meant: It is not the exterior trapping but the interior state which matters. Until you become a person who **cannot** contemplate the acts for which a sword was designed, and hence abhor the sword, swordlessness for you is an imitative and even lying state. It disguises the fact that you still have a sword in the heart."

Madeline, perhaps you recognize that there are much better symbols of the South that capture its true beauty and the warmth of its people than the Stars and Bars.

... just a conjecture.

 

Re: I'm NOT from the south but I have a point to make.

Posted by madeline on September 1, 2006, at 7:51:02

In reply to I'm NOT from the south but I have a point to make., posted by finelinebob on August 31, 2006, at 23:33:02

no need for conjecture, or lecture for that matter, i absolutely recognize there are much better symbols of the south. Hence my post in which i stated support for those who seek to ban the flying of the confederate flag.

Maddie

 

Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make.

Posted by finelinebob on September 1, 2006, at 19:52:40

In reply to I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by madeline on August 31, 2006, at 7:05:58

> I don't care if they are right or wrong, those people offended by this flag have a right to have their feelings respected, despite how I may feel about the south and my pride in it.

Missed your point starting at "despite" there.
Madeline 1
flb 0

;^)

 

Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make.

Posted by verne on September 3, 2006, at 6:54:35

In reply to Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by finelinebob on September 1, 2006, at 19:52:40

I missed your point when you said "south"

 

Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make. verne

Posted by madeline on September 3, 2006, at 7:46:58

In reply to Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by verne on September 3, 2006, at 6:54:35

?????????

 

Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make.

Posted by finelinebob on September 3, 2006, at 22:25:32

In reply to Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by verne on September 3, 2006, at 6:54:35

> I missed your point when you said "south"

That may be because you got out a compass, found "north" (magnetic or true doesn't matter unless your location is, say, between magnetic north and true north), and then oriented yourself towards "topographic" south.

Now, madeline referred to "the south" and I referred to "the South", both of which may be construed as the geographic region of the United States beginning with its southern borders and extending up to the Mason-Dixon line. But, since the Mason-Dixon live does not extend across the country, alternate definitions might be appropriate. One might be that the South is the region where a majority of the citizens know that the proper plural form of "y'all" is "all y'all".

;^)

 

Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make.

Posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 2:31:10

In reply to I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by madeline on August 31, 2006, at 7:05:58

Aw. maybe the gospel of Judas could help shed some light on this?

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/?fs=www9.nationalgeographic.com

Er...
People of Jewish faith may have killed christ but...
What religion were the people who killed those of Jewish faith?

And on with the 'holy war' ho.

Sheesh...

 

Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make.

Posted by Dinah on September 5, 2006, at 13:52:59

In reply to Re: I'm from the south and I have a point to make., posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 2:31:10

I think Madeline had a good original point. And it's the same concept that faith board civility guidelines are based on. Many faiths have doctrines that their followers believe, and that's fine. But they might be hurtful to those who aren't a follower of that faith, so are perhaps best left unsaid in mixed company that includes people of all faiths.

Which does leave quite a few areas that are perfectly proper for Babble, and quite a few that are not.

FWIW, I have strong opinions on this topic based on modern Christian scholarship, but they involve taking the gospels in an historical perspective, and that might be offensive to those who accept them as the literal word of God.

But I will say this. Even if you take into account that crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, and that the Jewish method would have been stoning, any references to the Jews in the old Testament should be taken in the context that Jesus and all his original followers were Jewish. All the players in this drama, with the exception of the Romans and a few gentiles within the gospel stories, at the time of Jesus's death were Jewish. So it was a Jewish man who was nailed to the cross, Jewish women who cried under that cross, Jewish people who took the body down and wept over it and wrapped it and put it in a burial space owned by a Jewish man. And it was Jewish women who came the morning after the Jewish sabbath to prepare him according to Jewish custom for a proper Jewish burial. James, and Peter and Paul and all the disciples were Jewish.

It would be like taking today's paper and saying that an American shot two men on the corner of Washington and Dryades.


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