Psycho-Babble Faith Thread 655954

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It's sad that there are not many posts here.

Posted by CEK on June 12, 2006, at 13:10:44

I have been posting on psycho babble for a couple of months and the posts there are so numerous. People post and follow up everyday! I came to this board last week looking for help with my faith and encouragement to draw closer to God. My illness is controlling my life and I am miserable. I know because of the lack of my meds working and other signs from God that I need to lean on Him and beg Him for forgiveness of my lack of a currant relationship with Him. It just saddened me to see the lack of people here when there is so much more support on other sights. We all need God or a higher power and it's sad that so many people that are suffering don't realize it.

 

Re: It's sad that there are not many posts here. CEK

Posted by MidnightBlue on June 12, 2006, at 21:27:08

In reply to It's sad that there are not many posts here., posted by CEK on June 12, 2006, at 13:10:44

I don't post here much because I feel like I have to be very careful about what I say on this board. If I were to explain what I believe it might offend someone. I try not to do that.

I'm sorry, but I really do feel like my hands are tied.

MidnightBlue

 

Re: It's sad that there are not many posts here. CEK

Posted by rayww on June 13, 2006, at 2:03:05

In reply to It's sad that there are not many posts here., posted by CEK on June 12, 2006, at 13:10:44

---and especially when He is about healing. Do you suppose it is because people like their illness and really don't want to believe in themself, or in God, and therefore don't want to have hope or faith, so choose not to pray?

If you took a paper and made 2 columns, and titled one "Satan" and the other "God", then wrote the messages both would want you to believe about yourself, about prayer, about God and salvation, you would begin to understand where these false messages about ourselves orriginate.

There are no two people exactly the same, so how could one be created right and another wrong? It just isn't possible.

God wanted you to be born
God loves you
God wants you to love the scriptures
God wants you to pray to him

Anything kind or good comes from God, but it is hard to believe good things about ourself.


Satan cheats, lies, bears false witness, and makes it easy to believe false messages about ourselves, because once we get on the spiral going down we tend to make ourselves keep going down, down, down.

Satan says you don't need to pray
Satan says you're not worth anything
Satan tries to hide the scriptures from us
Satan wants to destroy our family

But if we can make ourself do 2 things, it'll make all the difference in the world, because it will lead us toward the light.
1. Pray and
2. prayerfully read scripture.
Call on the Lord when you need help with something. Pray and open your scriptures. Try opening them randomly with a need and I'll bet you'll find His words give you answer.

The thing about scripture is you can read the same chapter over and over and each time you will read something new, because it keeps teaching.

Right now I've been reading (listening to) 3 Nephi, http://www.lds.org/mp3/newarchive/0,18615,5249-1,00.html when the Savior visits the Americas right after His crucifixion. I listen to it on my iPod every night when I go to bed, and I hear something new every single night. It's the most amazing thing. I love the scriptures. In them ye find eternal life. http://scriptures.lds.org/john/5/39#39

 

Re: Please be sensitive rayww

Posted by AuntieMel on June 13, 2006, at 8:17:01

In reply to Re: It's sad that there are not many posts here. CEK, posted by rayww on June 13, 2006, at 2:03:05

Rayww

We need to keep in mind here that there are people here of many faiths.

To quote from past Dr. Bob posts (re: Anything kind or good comes from God,)

Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to put down the faiths of others, could you please rephrase that
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040113/msgs/310623.html

and to quote another past Dr. Bob post:

I think I need to ask you in the future to phrase comments like the above more like:

> People of my faith believe that only His way is right.
>
> People of my faith worship He, whose creation this is.

Also, please do not link to anything that could be taken as a put-down by others. I will not quote it, but verse 16 of your link would be an example.

Please refer to the FAQ for more information.

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups to this should be on the admin board, and of course should also be civil

AuntieMel, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob

 

Re: It's sad that there are not many posts rayww

Posted by CEK on June 13, 2006, at 9:37:10

In reply to Re: It's sad that there are not many posts here. CEK, posted by rayww on June 13, 2006, at 2:03:05

Thank you for your words of encouragement. I once had a very strong relationship to God and He has answered many prayers for me. To the degree of spoiling me at times. When things in my life began to get the best of me and my depression got worse and then I started getting manic episodes and worse mood swings, I seemed to have lost Him. He didn't lose me, I lost Him. I was one of those people that got caught up in Satans spells. I felt like I could not turn to God,I felt like I was not worthy of asking Him to grant anymore of my prayers. And why not? This has been the worst time of my life, the time when I've needed Him the most and yet I would not turn to Him. He has sent me all kinds of signs to turn to Him. Any thought of Him, church songs,ect made me cry. That told me something. My meds not working for so long I felt was His will also. He was trying everything He could to make me wake up and come to Him. I was putting my trust and faith in people, not Him. Our financil situation had gotten worse than it has ever been because of my illness and this was one area that the Lord has been very gracious to me. It has come down to selling our possesions to try to pay the bills. I guess I've been waiting for Him to hit me over the head with something to make me see that I need Him. Some people call of my situations the devil working his job on me. Maybe so, but I beleive it is my wake up call from the Lord. He has given me everything, and He can take it all away. For 8 years I've worked in a factory and have been raising 3 children and have been fighting with myself as to what my purpose in life is. The last couple of years, I've been miserable in the factory, knowing there is something else that I should be doing with my life. I could feel it deep in my heart like I do when I pray. I hated not being home with my children and having to pay babysitters to raise them for me. I didn't and still don't know if my purpose is needed at home with my children or in another line of work helping people. I didn't ask God what His purpose was for me and didn't ask His help in this situation. I tried to find it in myself which of course is a dead end. There is a woman that posts on psycho babble that goes by the name Heaven Help Me, that had posted how she beleives that only through God her illness has been helped. She is wonderful, and with her help and kind words of encouragement, she has broken through my stubborn head to once again seek the Lord. She I beleive was sent to babble to help me and others by the Lord. She has been a blessing in my life. I know she will be rewarded for her efforts. I have finally, for the last week turned to Him with everything in my heart. I know He has a purpose for me in my life and did not put me on this earth to be miserable. Yet miserable is all I am without Him. For the first time in a long while I can feel the emptiness inside me going away. I can feel Him in me. My anxiety already is getting better knowing that what will be, will be of His will. I don't ever want to be seperated from Him again. I don't just want to be asking for His help and never giving anything back to Him. I want to do His duty and live the life through HIm that He wants me to live. Several times I've wanted to kill myself. It was like someone was speaking into my ear that it was the only way out of all of this. I have even made plans to do it, yet He has kept me alive. I know He has a purpose for me and He's not going to let me out of this that easy. I know the deep dark depression and suicidal thoughts are the devil. He is afraid of my potential to work through God. I've asked the Lord to help me fight the devil off of me, to help me be strong. I can already feel the Lord with His hand on me. I'm sorry this is so long. I just felt like I needed to tell someone that can relate to what I am feeling by Him once again in my life. My God bless you. Thank you for posting, Love, CEK

 

Re: Please be sensitive

Posted by rayww on June 13, 2006, at 10:25:28

In reply to Re: Please be sensitive rayww, posted by AuntieMel on June 13, 2006, at 8:17:01

Dear Auntie Mel,
I'm sorry you have had to rule on what I said.

Where do you suppose the thought of trying to make God seem useless or non existant originates?

Faith in God can be a very integral part of the healing process for those who believe it is possible. Faith in God cannot be proven, yet it is known. It can't be shown in any book, yet it can be believed. Faith in God is the most real non-reality that exists. It is like gravity, even Newton's law, where there are two bodies pulling toward each other, each will have an effect, although that effect cannot be seen. Faith is like gravity, in that by exercising it you actually produce a gravitational type link that pulls. and, the opposite is true also, in that a gravitational type link can be produced between you and satan. It's where you focus your belief and attention that determines which force the stronger.

True healing is found between the person and God. It is personal and private, and only known between, but it can be known, it can be believed beyond any shadow of a doubt, because it is real, and it can be nurtured and developed.

The person who takes offense to this notion is the person who has not discovcered the reality of God in his or her life. There will always be both believers and non believers in God. To a believer this notion is something that may change, depending on whether or not a seed of light is planted in their soul, for light within can grow till it becomes light without. If you don't believe me, try seeing a person a year after they find the light and just see if their countenance has changed. You'll find them to be happier, more at peace, and generally brighter in every way. And while at it, you might try the opposite, a person whose light has gone out will gradually appear more dark, dismal, and discouraged. Light is something that cannot be faked. Those who have it can recognize it in others. It is very easily discernable, and most don't even think about it.

Well, I can get carried on almost any subject, so I'd better quit before I get into more trouble for something I have said.

Auntie Mel, you know you are my friend :) even though we believe differently.

rayww.


> Rayww
>
> We need to keep in mind here that there are people here of many faiths.
>
> To quote from past Dr. Bob posts (re: Anything kind or good comes from God,)
>
> Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to put down the faiths of others, could you please rephrase that
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040113/msgs/310623.html
>
> and to quote another past Dr. Bob post:
>
> I think I need to ask you in the future to phrase comments like the above more like:
>
> > People of my faith believe that only His way is right.
> >
> > People of my faith worship He, whose creation this is.
>
> Also, please do not link to anything that could be taken as a put-down by others. I will not quote it, but verse 16 of your link would be an example.
>
> Please refer to the FAQ for more information.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups to this should be on the admin board, and of course should also be civil
>
> AuntieMel, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
>
>
>
>

 

Re: It's sad that there are not many posts rayww CEK

Posted by rayww on June 13, 2006, at 10:55:37

In reply to Re: It's sad that there are not many posts rayww, posted by CEK on June 13, 2006, at 9:37:10

CEK, you have expressed exactly what I was trying to say, and you did it so perfectly, because it is happening to you right now. Thank-you so much for having the courage to share. I have had some of the same struggles, and I have found the best thing for me is to listen to scripture when I go to bed so that my mind doesn't start to flood me with negative thoughts. That's why I shared that one link to the mp3 audio of the church. I know there will be things you may choose that will not offend your belief. Personally I haven't had the problems mentally since using truehope supplements. http://www.truehope.com/
You may enjoy reading, or in doing a google search on truehope. Our physical, mental, and spiritual self all constifute our soul, and it is essential to care for all three, because they work together for our good. I wish you the best, and pray for your safety and sustainance.
rayww.

 

Re: It's sad that there are not many posts rayww

Posted by CEK on June 13, 2006, at 10:58:32

In reply to Re: It's sad that there are not many posts here. CEK, posted by MidnightBlue on June 12, 2006, at 21:27:08

Rayww, I'm sorry that your post got you a word of warning. You read what I wrote and were trying to help me. I myself was not offended my what you wrote or added for me to look up. It is scripture and I can't see harm in that. I think everyone knows there is a difference in opinion in their religions and we all need to be open minded when it comes to that. It saddens me to see that MidnightBlue could not post any words of encouragement because of fear of offending someone. The world has come to the point that everything has to be politically correct out of fear of offending someone. Someone is most of the time offended by things that they shouldn't be. Human nature I guess, but we should all respect what others have to say and stay open minded. If a post doesn't click with a persons particular religion, then I believe the person should disregard the post knowing that there are differences in opinion in religions. How can we help each other with a chip on our shoulders against what other peoples beliefs are? There would end up having to be threads devoted to each religion or for the faith board to not exist and for people of various religions to find boards elsewhere that go along with their particular faith. I was raised as a Catholic and had my own problems with some of the beliefs. I then became Baptist when I was 26 and then still had problems with some of their teachings. I believe if I keep searching different religions I will probably run across the same situation with each. I have learned to disregard the things in different religions that I don't agree with and focus on the fact that we are all serving a higher power for the good. I don't believe personally, that anyone is doomed to hell if they believe in their higher power and live their life for the good devoted to that higher power. It has bothered me in the past to listen to priests or preachers, preach to me about others going to hell for their beliefs. I didn't feel like that was what I was there for, to listen to judgement on others, when God or someone elses version of Him will be the one to judge us. I respect all religions if they are focused on making us better people. I will not condem another for their beliefs. I wish the world was the same, but we are all taught different in our religions about what if right and when you are brought up being taught that and you choose to have strong faith in your religion, then that is ones personal choice. I don't think we will be condemed by what we are taught. Very seldom do I think people explore different religions and don't understand them. Many stay with the one they began with and are taught to believe in it and don't ever look elsewhere. I myself believe there is a higher power that is in control of everything. I can not look outside my door at the beauty in nature, or look at my children and think that someone was not responsible for making such wonderful things. Some people may not feel the same, but that is their right in their own opinion. I personally feel alive with the Lord when I am with nature and with my children. I know I have been blessed. I've questioned in the past if what I've been taught in my religions is right. Am I worshiping the right power? In my heart, from experience, I believe that I am. Like you said in your post when you listen to a scripture, each time you read it, you get something different out of it. I believe this too. Words from the Bible may be taken in different ways. I don't think the link you listed was ment to slam people of Jewish faith. I believe you posted that link for me to get the encouragement that He is here for us to help and heal us. You posted it I believe for me to get out of it what was needed and I appreciate that and am not condeming you for it. I hope no one else on the board does. I feel responsible for it. I asked for help and you gave it to me the best way you knew how. To help me. Not to hurt others. As a believer in God I know that was not your intention, to hurt another of a different faith. If we all have love in our hearts for one another, there should be only respect for each and everyones views and not hate or hurtfullness because of their views. The world is not perfect and neither are we as people, but this board is called faith. Faith in general. Not one specific faith and we should all stay open minded and respect the differences in our religions even though it maybe hard for some. Thank you Rayww for your post to me. I know it was directed to me. You did not direct it toward another faith personally to hurt anyone. This board should be filled with love. That was what I was expecting, and so far what I have received. It hurts me to think that there is more here than that. That some may be hurt by this board is sad. Sad because we will never be able to understand and accept each other and their beliefs if we don't understand anything about each others beliefs. We could learn alot from each other if we can all stay open minded. If we knew more about the different beliefs and stayed open minded, then maybe some of the world could stop condeming others, understand a little more about their belief and love them regardless. I believe at the heart of whatever religion, there is love. Love that should be shared with all people. I'm sorry Dr.Bob if my posts have offended anyone. I just wish we could all unite to help each other, but how do we do it without offending others. I've never gone to the politics board, but I figured it would be full of people offending each other. Politics is a very heated subject and I've heard many arguements over people's political views. How do you keep people from offending others on that board? People even get heated up on psycho babble over their different views on meds. But I guess this being a faith board,all should be safe from the offending here. But how, when we are all people and some get very passionate about their beliefs? I don't know how this board works. Maybe I've come to the wrong place for encouragement in my faith.

 

Re: It's sad that there are not many posts rayww CEK

Posted by rayww on June 13, 2006, at 22:18:29

In reply to Re: It's sad that there are not many posts rayww, posted by CEK on June 13, 2006, at 10:58:32

>>> I don't know how this board works. Maybe I've come to the wrong place for encouragement in my faith.

<<<I've never found a better place for encouragement in your faith. In other words, they're all pretty bad. You glean what you can from wherever you can. There is a lot of good found on the Internet in general, but I find you have to learn for yourself what can be trusted to edify and not tear down. I've been working on reading about ancient texts that have been discovered, but supressed for decades. Pretty interesting stuff. There's always going to be something to learn. It helps if you keep God in it, pray for direction, think of a question you really really want answered, then prayerfully begin your search, and search documents written by anyone in any religion, then glean truth. With God by your side it can be found.

 

Thank you Rayww (nm) rayww

Posted by CEK on June 14, 2006, at 1:09:26

In reply to Re: It's sad that there are not many posts rayww CEK, posted by rayww on June 13, 2006, at 22:18:29

 

Re: Please be sensitive rayww

Posted by AuntieMel on June 14, 2006, at 11:42:45

In reply to Re: Please be sensitive, posted by rayww on June 13, 2006, at 10:25:28

Yes, rayww, you and I do get along well, even with our differences.

But - just remember - different people believe different things. And we must all be aware of that so that we don't unintentionally hurt each other.

Thank you for being understanding.

 

Re: It's sad that there are not many posts here. CEK

Posted by Declan on July 18, 2006, at 18:38:54

In reply to It's sad that there are not many posts here., posted by CEK on June 12, 2006, at 13:10:44

I'd like to post here, but having no faith at all I would just annoy people.
I like reading the Bible and the Book of Common Prayer and even said a prayer today...it went 'Dear God, preserve me from error' and I'm afraid that's where it ended.
I'm mainly interested in religion from a psychological angle.
Eternal life (in the literal sense) is not something I want and am happy enough to be snuffed out when the time comes.
When you said 'we all need God or a higher power', can you agree with this: 'That we all need to have our hearts opened by love'?
Declan


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