Psycho-Babble Faith Thread 523042

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Another Prayer ask....

Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 3, 2005, at 17:39:59

I am having the most extreme time with my medications, i cant get stable, maybe this is in my mind, i need to "stablize" myself.

My mom is very uncompromising, and controlls my medications like dictatorship.

Please god help get to the right doctor, please make this feeling of being trapped go away, please get me out in life, god i seen you done things that i asked that happened and shocked me.

This is more indirect, my life stablizing, lord get me on the path.

Matt

 

Re: Another Prayer ask....

Posted by rayww on July 3, 2005, at 20:21:12

In reply to Another Prayer ask...., posted by rjlockhart98 on July 3, 2005, at 17:39:59

Matt, I heard it put this way today, and I hope this helps you. When you break your arm do you cut it off? Of course not. You would go to the doctor, get a cast on it, or put a sling on it, and nurse it back to health.

We are all members of the body of Christ. When a part of that body gets broken God tends it just as carefully, and feels the pain we feel. Look to him, he is there and willing to help.

I pray that you might find the care you need.

 

Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-bdyofcr

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2005, at 20:59:42

In reply to Another Prayer ask...., posted by rjlockhart98 on July 3, 2005, at 17:39:59

Friends,
I am requesting that you consider the following if you are going to post to this thread.
It is written here, [...we are all members of the body of Christ...].
I am requesting that you consider the following if you are going to post in this thread:
A. Which {Christ} is being referred to in the statement in question? Is it christiandom's christ?
B. If it is christiandom's christ that is being referred to, are jews and others that do not honor christiandom's Christ as to the way that members of christiandom do, also part of the {all} that are members of the {body of Christ}?
C. What is the meaning of,{...the [body] of Christ}?
D. If {all} are members of the body of Christ, was Hitler a member of {the body of christ}?
Lou

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-bdyofcr

Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 3, 2005, at 22:04:58

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-bdyofcr, posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2005, at 20:59:42

Christain's who have accepted the lord jeusus christ.

 

Lou's response to an aspect of this thread- Lou Pilder

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2005, at 22:29:49

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-bdyofcr, posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2005, at 20:59:42

Friends,
It is written here,[...christians that have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ...].
I am requesting that if you are going to post to this thread that you consider the following.
A. What does it mean to be a member of the group called "christians"?
B. What does it mean to [...accept the {Lord} Jesus Christ...]?
C. Was Hitler a christian?
D. Was Martin Luther a christian?
E. Was Jonas Salk and /or Albert Sabin a christian?
Lou

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-

Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 3, 2005, at 23:45:57

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread- Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2005, at 22:29:49

A. Beliving in Faith together through prayer

B. To devout time with the spirit, and also blessings will come, they have for me.

C. Killing millions i dont belive is a fellow christain

D. I do belive so, i dont know, i cant awnser this.

E. Rawyy i just put what i knew. I dont want to be offensive at all. I dont know this awnser.

Lou thanks for your questions, i do have faith in the lord, that he will over time awnser my prayer requests. I have seen it rapidly, god has given 1 major sign, i have belived but i have lost faith alot.

I need faith and prayer with someone that i will get on the right medications, i want off medications.

My mother has locked my medication up when i need it during a panic attack, he showed me when to get the medication when it is needed only. His quiet voice is there, when i have had mental breakdowns, i prayed please stabilize me. Nothing happened, i belive god has his own intentions, not human reason, i was then increased on medication soon.

Hearing christ's voice is very very wierd. It is so silent, and still, it distresses me if it is my own mind just playing games with me! but i have seen when it is becuase situations are changed, it is almost a shock.

For a while i thought i had Schizophrenia. Do you understand how much distress it has been trying to find the lord?

I still struggle, but trust god.

Take Care

Matt

 

Lou's reply to Matt-blvginfath rjlockhart98

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 6:02:07

In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-, posted by rjlockhart98 on July 3, 2005, at 23:45:57

> A. Beliving in Faith together through prayer
>
> B. To devout time with the spirit, and also blessings will come, they have for me.
>
> C. Killing millions i dont belive is a fellow christain
>
> D. I do belive so, i dont know, i cant awnser this.
>
> E. Rawyy i just put what i knew. I dont want to be offensive at all. I dont know this awnser.
>
> Lou thanks for your questions, i do have faith in the lord, that he will over time awnser my prayer requests. I have seen it rapidly, god has given 1 major sign, i have belived but i have lost faith alot.
>
> I need faith and prayer with someone that i will get on the right medications, i want off medications.
>
> My mother has locked my medication up when i need it during a panic attack, he showed me when to get the medication when it is needed only. His quiet voice is there, when i have had mental breakdowns, i prayed please stabilize me. Nothing happened, i belive god has his own intentions, not human reason, i was then increased on medication soon.
>
> Hearing christ's voice is very very wierd. It is so silent, and still, it distresses me if it is my own mind just playing games with me! but i have seen when it is becuase situations are changed, it is almost a shock.
>
> For a while i thought i had Schizophrenia. Do you understand how much distress it has been trying to find the lord?
>
> I still struggle, but trust god.
>
> Take Care
>
> Matt
Matt,
You wrote,[...Lou, thanks...]
You also wrote,[...A. Beliving in Faith together through prayer...].
Is your statement an answer to my question as to what it is to be a christian? If so, Could you clarify what it is that is the {beliving} in your statement?
Also, could you clarify what {Faith} could mean in your statement?
Also, could you clarify who those are in the {together}?
Lou

 

Lou's request -Htlrchstn?

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 6:46:40

In reply to Lou's reply to Matt-blvginfath rjlockhart98, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 6:02:07

Friends,
It is written here,[...we are all members of the body of Christ...].
I am requesting that if you are going to post to this thread that you consider what that statement means. Also, if {all} are members of the body of Christ, then could you consider if Hitler was a member of the {...body of Christ...]? This could depend onwhat is meant by a christian and such.
I am requesting that you examine the following links before you post to this thread in order for you to make an informed decision as to if Hitler was member of Christiandom.
Lou
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/henchmen.htm

 

Re: Lou's request -Htlrchstn?

Posted by rayww on July 4, 2005, at 8:14:10

In reply to Lou's request -Htlrchstn?, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 6:46:40

Lou, Matt was just asking for help. Please don't bring Hitler into it. I would request that you not post to me. Thank-you.

 

Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 8:39:20

In reply to Lou's request -Htlrchstn?, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 6:46:40

Friends,
It is written her,[...we are all members of the body of Christ...].
That was written as a response to another poster seeking help here.
I am requesting to those that are considering posting to this thread to consider the following:
A. Is it a fact that {all} are members of {the body of christ}?
B. Could someone get help here without being a member of {the body of Christ}?
C. Are only those that are members of {the body of Christ} the ones that can get help here?
D. Could a jewish person, that may not be a member of the body of Christ as christiandom considers it to be, or someone else that is not a member of {the body of Christ} give help to someone here?
E. Is a "christian" well-defined by anyone in this thread?
F. Is ,{the body of Christ}, well-defined here in this thread?
G. Can others here requier me, or anyone else here, from offering links that could help others here to make an informed decision as to if Hitler was a christian or not?
H. Did the poster that originated this thread declare in the thread to be a Christian?
Lou?

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread- Lou Pilder

Posted by rayww on July 4, 2005, at 12:18:20

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 8:39:20

> Friends,
> It is written her,[...we are all members of the body of Christ...].
> That was written as a response to another poster seeking help here.

<<Lou, that was written as a quote. I'm sorry I forgot to note it. http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=members+body+christ&qs_version=9

 

Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-stal?

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 13:20:45

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 8:39:20

Friends,
It is written in this thread,[...we are {all} members of the {body of Christ}...].
The poster that posted that then writes something like that the poster says he/she forgot to note that is a quote of ,[...we are all members of the body of Christ...] from passages from the King james version of the Bible.
I am requesting that if you are going to post to this thread that you examine the links offered by the poster and see if the statement,[...we are {all} members of the {body of Christ} ...]is quoted. If it is, could you point out the {quote} of such? For I can not find the {all} in the bible passages offered by the poster in his/her link to some King James Bible verses as to what the poster posted in his/her previous post in question.
And if you post here, could you consider that if {all} are members of the body of christ, then could you say that Joseph Stalin is a member of the body of christ?
Lou

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-

Posted by Dena on July 4, 2005, at 13:49:52

In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread- Lou Pilder, posted by rayww on July 4, 2005, at 12:18:20

I believe that there's a great deal of confusion here...

I believe that not everyone is a member of the "Body of Christ". It's a personal choice. Individuals (not institutions) who follow Jesus Christ as their personal savior, are members of the Body of Christ. This isn't dependent upon membership to a particular religion, denomination, or group.

I believe it's an internal condition "of the heart", made by faith... and ultimately, only God knows what each heart believes.

However, I believe that if a person has such an internal belief, it should "show up" externally, in their actions as well. The person who follows Jesus should demonstrate the character that He taught. Primarily: loving God with their entire being (all the heart/soul/strength/mind), and they should love their neighbors as themselves... and Jesus clearly taught that neighbor included even those we might consider to be our "enemies".

Love here doesn't mean a "warm fuzzy feeling", but rather ACTS of love, kindness and mercy - compassion.

I believe it doesn't matter what a persons SAYS about what he/she believes (talk is cheap). If a person does not DEMONSTRATE love for God and others, then that person is not following Jesus, and cannot genuinely claim to be in the "Body of Christ" (this is according to Jesus, not merely my personal claim).

I believe it doesn't matter what organization one belongs to, what church one has a membership in, or what speeches/books/articles one might deliver... if that person does not demonstrate love, then it's not true in their heart. In today's vernacular - one has to "walk the walk", not just "talk the talk"...

Hitler may have said some "right things" to cause people in a predominantly "Christian nation" (at least nominally Christian) that he was one of them, but due to his hatred for Jews and others, he was clearly not demonstrating love, by any stretch of the imagination.

Hitler may have made sure that he was photgraphed associating with clergy members, but that was for show.

There are photos of clergy members saluting Hitler, but none of us knows whether those people were threatened with death or trips to concentration camps in order to force them to obey... additionally, being a clergy member doesn't assure that that person has indeed made a personal decision to accept Jesus as their savior, which is the Biblical definition for what makes a person a Christian... not their affiliation with a religious institution, and not their seminary education.

Hitler sent many, many people to their death, for defying him (including a great number of Christians who dared to defy him, who dared to support the Jews, and who dared to try to help them). He was an insecure egomaniac who had many twisted ideas... he had a personal vendetta for Jews, due to his art work being rejected by his Jewish art teacher in Vienna, as well as some of the horrible anti-Semantic teachings that have been wrongly attributed to those who called themselves "Christians".

As a Christian, I personally am ashamed and horrified of the many atrocitites that have been done "in the name of Christ". Jesus never taught hatred. He never taught to look down on anyone, or any group of people. Jesus Himself was Jewish -- He had great love for all people, and taught His followers to do the same.

No, I personally do not believe that Hitler was a Christian. Nothing in his life demonstrated that he understood a single thing that Jesus taught. He certainly never followed Him -- he only used the platform of Christianity for his own evil schemes. He manipulated the country of Germany, playing on the people's emotions. He was an evil, vile man... and the fact that he claimed to be a Christian is an abomination.

Jews have been falsely accused of all manner of wrongs throughout history. Each person deserves to be evaluated by their own heart... each individual is capable of either great good, or great wrong, and we're each accountable. The divide between Jews and Christians is a horrible one... it was never meant to be. The goal of those who claim to follow Jesus should be to demonstrate great love, mercy, compassion and honor to each other... and to all others, regardless of their personal beliefs. Never, never, never is it acceptable for a follower of Jesus to hate others, to be cruel to others, or to think of themselves as better in any way! Never!

Hitler clearly failed this test.

[Dr. Bob, Dinah, (& other moderators)... It is NOT my intent here to be insensitive, offensive, or to in ANY way put down anyone else for what or how they believe.

I'm simply stating a personal opinion, based on my own understanding, of how Hitler could not, based upon his actions, claim to both do what he did, and to believe what he claimed to believe ... they are not compatible.

If anything I've stated here is deemed to be worthy of being blocked... please give me the opportunity to clarify what I've said. It is my intention to foster understanding, as well as to support those of other faiths, including those who've long been the targets of horrendous persecution.]

 

Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 15:17:09

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 8:39:20

Friends,
It is written here,[...If a person does not demonstrate love for God and others, then that person is not following Jesus...].
I am requesting that if you are going to post to this thread that you consider the following in relation to the above statement.
A. Can a person demonstrate love for God and others without {following Jesus}?
B. Are all people that are not following Jesus demonstrating the opposite of love to God and others?
C. Is following Jesus a prerequisite for loving God and others?
D. Can only those that are {following Jesus} demonstrate love forGod and others?
E. Can a person that is following Jesus show hate for others?
F. Are christians incapable of harming others?
Lou

 

Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 15:29:20

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 15:17:09

Friends,
I am requesting that if you are going to post to this thread that you do some research concerning the following statements written here.
A.Hitler... was photographed...with clergy...(but that was for show)...none of us know whether those people were threatened with death...in order to force them...]
B. He (Hitler) had a ...vendetta for jews, due to his art work being rejected by his jewish art teacher...]
C. [...Nothing in his (Hitler's) life demonstrated that he understood a single thing that Jesus taught...]
Lou

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread- Lou Pilder

Posted by Dena on July 4, 2005, at 15:40:45

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 15:17:09

Hey Lou!

Thanks for responding, and for giving me the opportunity to clarify. You wrote:


[quote]A. Can a person demonstrate love for God and others without {following Jesus}?[/quote]

Yes, of course. People certainly did so before Jesus taught this, and people who don't follow Him have done so since. But my point is that those who claim to follow Him, should abide by His teachings of love.


[quote]B. Are all people that are not following Jesus demonstrating the opposite of love to God and others?[/quote]

Well, that would depend upon what each individual is actually demonstrating. I've seen many people of many faiths demonstrate love to God and to others.


[quote]C. Is following Jesus a prerequisite for loving God and others?[/quote]

No, absolutely not. I believe that each person has the capacity for either showing love, or showing hatred. But those who follow someone who preached love, should demonstrate love, not hatred.


[quote]D. Can only those that are {following Jesus} demonstrate love forGod and others?[/quote]

No -- I believe you're really asking the same question in various forms... loving God and others is NOT limited only to followers of Jesus.


[quote]E. Can a person that is following Jesus show hate for others?[/quote]

Yes, sadly, they can make that choice. However, at the moment (for whatever period of time) that the person is showing hatred for others, they're not following Jesus at that time. In order to show the hatred, they've turned their back on Him, and His teachings... though they may repent and return to Him.


[quote]F. Are christians incapable of harming others?[/quote]

Again, sadly, no. History bears this out. Of course, many people who've done horrendous things in the name of "Christianity" are not truly Christians... it's not what they call themselves that counts, but whether or not they've had an inner transformation. But, we continue to have free will, and we are capable of making wrong choices. I am a Christian, and yet, I've harmed many, many people... especially when I was active in my addiction. I caused great harm to my husband and to my children, in my selfishness and neglect. Often, we who are wounded, end up wounding others out of our own pain... with healing there seems to be less harm done.

Even when I don't intend to, I can cause harm to others... and I'm capable of losing my temper, being selfish, being downright nasty to others... out of pride, anger, jealousy, or spite.

I'm not proud of these things, and I do repent. I know I'm forgiven, but sometimes I still have to deal with the consequences for my wrong and harmful choices.

I'm sure that many, many people who call themselves Christians have harmed you, your family, and your ancestors, Lou. I'm ashamed that I represent to you a group of people who have done outrageous damage to the Jewish people. If I could remove the pain, repent for the offenses, and offer healing, I would.

I love the Jewish people, their culture and their faith. I married a Jewish man, and I'm raising my 7 children to honor their heritage, both spiritually and culturally.

I know that the name of Christ has been an affront to you, and I grieve that... it's a horrible wrong. I can only hope you can forgive the unforgiveable, and find healing.

Shalom, Dena

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm

Posted by Dena on July 4, 2005, at 17:37:46

In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2005, at 15:29:20

> Friends,
> I am requesting that if you are going to post to this thread that you do some research concerning the following statements written here.
> A.Hitler... was photographed...with clergy...(but that was for show)...none of us know whether those people were threatened with death...in order to force them...]
> B. He (Hitler) had a ...vendetta for jews, due to his art work being rejected by his jewish art teacher...]
> C. [...Nothing in his (Hitler's) life demonstrated that he understood a single thing that Jesus taught...]
> Lou

Hey Lou... so, how would one go about researching? I've done some research on Hitler... he was very into the occult - mixed it with Nazi-ism to form his own quasi-cultic form of religion... he also saw himself as a type of "messiah"...

I see that he took many photo-ops with clergy... I suppose that some of them were manipulated by his charismatic personality... but hanging out with those who called themselves Christians, and even daring to call himself a Christian, didn't MAKE him a Christian.

Did my other post help to clarify some of your questions?

Let me know...

Shalom, Dena

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm

Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 4, 2005, at 18:36:10

In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm, posted by Dena on July 4, 2005, at 17:37:46

Lou, hey

i dont know it just seems that you have asked this question before in other posts.

Did you not get an awnser? im 18 so i really cant awnser indept questions. I can research some if you want.

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm

Posted by Spriggy on July 5, 2005, at 13:35:05

In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm, posted by rjlockhart98 on July 4, 2005, at 18:36:10

Matt,
Sorry your request for prayer got a bit side stepped.

I just wanted to tell you I am praying for you.

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm

Posted by melspinyards on July 5, 2005, at 21:10:43

In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm, posted by Spriggy on July 5, 2005, at 13:35:05

thanks.

thanks for posting.

Im praying for you and your needs.

Matt

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm

Posted by melspinyards on July 5, 2005, at 21:20:29

In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm, posted by melspinyards on July 5, 2005, at 21:10:43

I ment to both you and TO matt.

I Know him somewhat, we have chatted over babblemail. He's nice.
Get better.

i dont know why i posted his name.... thinking of one of his posts..

airhead....

Melody

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm

Posted by Dena on July 5, 2005, at 21:55:40

In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm, posted by Spriggy on July 5, 2005, at 13:35:05

Yes, Spriggy, thanks for getting this back on track.

Matt, please forgive me for getting so distracted from the main intent of this thread - I, too, am praying for you, and that you'll find peace and strength, as you're carried through this time.

Shalom, Dena

 

Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm

Posted by Declan on August 4, 2005, at 0:51:04

In reply to Re: Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-hummm, posted by Dena on July 4, 2005, at 17:37:46

You won't sort this Hitler/christian thing out with the kind of things you can find on the internet. You have to read some books.
Declan


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