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Lou's request for clarification to Buckeye fan- Buckeye Fan

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2005, at 6:58:54

In reply to Re: Lou's response to Buckeye Fan's post-doyumen, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 19, 2005, at 6:39:08

BF,
You wrote,[...seek help through...find a ...person and/or professional {christian} counselor...].
Are you saying that the counselor should be a Christian? If so, are you also implying that if the counselor is not a Christian that the poster should not go to him/her? If you could clarify this, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's request for clarification to Buckeye fan- Lou Pilder

Posted by Greenhornet on February 19, 2005, at 8:45:04

In reply to Lou's request for clarification to Buckeye fan- Buckeye Fan, posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2005, at 6:58:54

> BF,
> You wrote,[...seek help through...find a ...person and/or professional {christian} counselor...].
> Are you saying that the counselor should be a Christian? If so, are you also implying that if the counselor is not a Christian that the poster should not go to him/her? If you could clarify this, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> Lou

Lou --

I do not want to answer for Buckeye Fan, however It is a very good idea to counsel with some whose "world view" is the same as your own
(ie Christian,Buddest etc) In my experience it makes the theraputic relationship both much easier to establish and facilites interaction/therapy. Also Christian Counsellors will pray with clients. Hornet

 

Re: Lou's request for clarification to Buckeye fan-

Posted by Buckeye Fan on February 19, 2005, at 8:49:22

In reply to Lou's request for clarification to Buckeye fan- Buckeye Fan, posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2005, at 6:58:54

Glad to oblige Lou....
I have been to several counselors over the years...both saved (christians) and non-saved (not saved)

As a believer...a professional counselor who is also a Bible Believing christian, is far better to counsel another believer as a patient.

So the short answer is yes....while both saved and unsaved counselors may be equal in their education, ability and expertise....a CHRISTIAN
counselor will usually have a better chance to more fully understand the whole man...and thereby
be more effective when counseling another believer

IF there is no christian counselor avaliable in a persons area...then I would most always recommend the best available non-christian counselor in their particuliar area.

Hope this clears it up...if not Id be happy for more dialogue.

BF

 

Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd? Buckeye Fan

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2005, at 10:29:35

In reply to Re: Lou's request for clarification to Buckeye fan-, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 19, 2005, at 8:49:22

BF,
YOu wrote,[...been to ...counselors...both saved(christians)and non-saved (not-saved)....].
In the gramatical structure of your statement above, could you mean that the christian counselors are saved and the non-christian counselors are not saved?
Lou

 

Lou's reply to Greenhornet-~pry?

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2005, at 10:34:17

In reply to Re: Lou's request for clarification to Buckeye fan- Lou Pilder, posted by Greenhornet on February 19, 2005, at 8:45:04

GH,
You wrote,[...Also Christian counsellors will pray with clients...].
According to your gramatical structure of your post, could you mean that non-Christian counselors will not pray with their clients?
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?

Posted by Buckeye Fan on February 19, 2005, at 11:38:10

In reply to Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd? Buckeye Fan, posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2005, at 10:29:35

Dear Lou,
Not quite sure what you seem to be fishin for...
as Hornet and I seem to be on the same page, so to speak.

I believe the Bible is God's Word.
I belive the Bible teaches that until a man or women is born-again....they are lost, and cannot fellowship with God.
Jesus as Gods Son showed in His teachings and by example how we are to seek,find, and follow God.

A christian's worldview is that ALL must come to the Lord on His terms...as given to us in the Bible. In other words...God really only "see's" 2 types of people on Earth.
Saved born-again followers of Him compromise one group....and then those who have not yet found Him as their Lord & Savior compromise the other.
I could certainly list many passages from the Bible that clearly bear out this basic fundamental christian belief.

Therefore......back to the Counselor/Counselee
relationship, as Hornet said..a christian counselor would have a better understanding of how to counsel all the needs of another christian...where as a Counselor who was NOT a born-again believer in Jesus Christ, could not fully counsel a christian patient.

All of this hinges upon whether or not you believe the following verses in Gods Word ( The Bible) to be true and accurrate:

Jesus said,
John14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way , the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

That is why I state the difference between a "christian" counselor..and an unbelieveing counselor.

Here is a link to my Church webpage to better aquint you with Evangelical Christianity
Hope you take alook when you have the time.

http://tcftalk.suddenlaunch.com/

God bless
BF

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?

Posted by Greenhornet on February 19, 2005, at 13:38:58

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 19, 2005, at 11:38:10

> Dear Lou,
> Not quite sure what you seem to be fishin for...
> as Hornet and I seem to be on the same page, so to speak.
>
> I believe the Bible is God's Word.
> I belive the Bible teaches that until a man or women is born-again....they are lost, and cannot fellowship with God.
> Jesus as Gods Son showed in His teachings and by example how we are to seek,find, and follow God.
>
> A christian's worldview is that ALL must come to the Lord on His terms...as given to us in the Bible. In other words...God really only "see's" 2 types of people on Earth.
> Saved born-again followers of Him compromise one group....and then those who have not yet found Him as their Lord & Savior compromise the other.
> I could certainly list many passages from the Bible that clearly bear out this basic fundamental christian belief.
>
> Therefore......back to the Counselor/Counselee
> relationship, as Hornet said..a christian counselor would have a better understanding of how to counsel all the needs of another christian...where as a Counselor who was NOT a born-again believer in Jesus Christ, could not fully counsel a christian patient.
>
> All of this hinges upon whether or not you believe the following verses in Gods Word ( The Bible) to be true and accurrate:
>
> Jesus said,
> John14:6
> Jesus saith unto him, I am the way , the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
>
> John 3:7
> Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again
>
> John 3:16
> For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
>
> That is why I state the difference between a "christian" counselor..and an unbelieveing counselor.
>
> Here is a link to my Church webpage to better aquint you with Evangelical Christianity
> Hope you take alook when you have the time.
>
> http://tcftalk.suddenlaunch.com/
>
> God bless
> BF

AMEN ! and just to add a bit here, I am fairly certain that Buckeye and I are of different branches of Christ's family..GH

 

Re: Lou's reply to Greenhornet-~pry?

Posted by greenhornet on February 19, 2005, at 15:29:52

In reply to Lou's reply to Greenhornet-~pry?, posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2005, at 10:34:17

> GH,
> You wrote,[...Also Christian counsellors will pray with clients...].
> According to your gramatical structure of your post, could you mean that non-Christian counselors will not pray with their clients?
> Lou

It's doubtful, and as a Christian, I dont think counselors of some faiths would pray -- at least not in Jesus name. GH

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?

Posted by greenhornet on February 19, 2005, at 15:32:27

In reply to Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd? Buckeye Fan, posted by Lou Pilder on February 19, 2005, at 10:29:35

> BF,
> YOu wrote,[...been to ...counselors...both saved(christians)and non-saved (not-saved)....].
> In the gramatical structure of your statement above, could you mean that the christian counselors are saved and the non-christian counselors are not saved?
> Lou

Lou,
By the very nature of the name "Christianity" requires Saving Knowledge of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. GH

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?

Posted by rayww on February 20, 2005, at 1:02:19

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?, posted by greenhornet on February 19, 2005, at 15:32:27

How did this end up in the demonic oppression thread? As long as we're here, I have a question. If someone exercises a spiritual gift and it is fake, is that like demonic oppression? Like the gift of tongues or healing, or loud outbursts, rolling on the floor, etc? Is there a true and a fake spiritual manifestation? There are so many, from excorcism to prophesying, in your opinion how does one know which to trust?
The list is so long of the real and fake spiritual gifts. Fake love, fake caring, fake faith, fake belief. Basically everything that is true also has a fake trying to mimic it. It's like that road beside the right one that goes on for so long, but then makes an abrupt turn. It could have gone on for centuries even. My thoughts are just exploring new territory, so I hope you can respond with an open mind, as I am. The real big one would be fake saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. How do we know which saving knowledge to trust? Mine is certainly a different Christianity than yours. Are we both on the same road, or side by side? I suppose only the future will tell.

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?

Posted by Buckeye Fan on February 20, 2005, at 6:26:19

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?, posted by rayww on February 20, 2005, at 1:02:19

> How did this end up in the demonic oppression thread? As long as we're here, I have a question. If someone exercises a spiritual gift and it is fake, is that like demonic oppression? Like the gift of tongues or healing, or loud outbursts, rolling on the floor, etc? Is there a true and a fake spiritual manifestation? There are so many, from excorcism to prophesying, in your opinion how does one know which to trust?
> The list is so long of the real and fake spiritual gifts. Fake love, fake caring, fake faith, fake belief. Basically everything that is true also has a fake trying to mimic it. It's like that road beside the right one that goes on for so long, but then makes an abrupt turn. It could have gone on for centuries even. My thoughts are just exploring new territory, so I hope you can respond with an open mind, as I am. The real big one would be fake saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. How do we know which saving knowledge to trust? I suppose only the future will tell.
*************************************************

Well we got on this topic because of a question posed by Spriggy - http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20050111/msgs/459211.html

You are correct in your statement that for most everything that is genuine...there is a counterfiet. That is because the devil is a copy-cat...not a Creator. He loves to mimic and provide mankind with a counterfiet for all that is good and holy, which has been given by God.
His insatiable desire to "be like God" is well documented in the Scriptures;

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

14:13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

14:15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Note how many times the word "I" is used.
This is significant, because it demonstrates the Lucifer's main problem.....pride. It was not enough for him to be created a Prize Cherum in Gods service....he desired more power,more prestige...and finally, Gods Position itself.

Eze 28:15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

You made a statement rayww...you said "Mine is certainly a different Christianity than yours. Are we both on the same road, or side by side?"

I humbly submit that according to the Holy Scriptures there is only ONE christianity. The Bible says :
4:3
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4:4
There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5
One Lord, One faith, One baptism,
4:6
One God and Father of All, who is above all, and through All, and in you All.

We are either together as members of the Body of Christ...or we are outside the family of faith.
Regardless of what denomination ( if any),regardless of what race, color or creed....God has One Family, One Faith and One Savior.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Lastly, concerning how we can tell the true from the fake? Discernment.

Joh 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be ONE fold, and ONE shepherd.

Joh 10:27
My sheep hear MY voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Joh 10:5
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Hope this helps. I So love Gods Word..it has the answers IF we are willing to look and believe!

In Him
BF

 

Lou's request to Buckeye Fan-~salotsidofChrch? Buckeye Fan

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2005, at 9:59:30

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 20, 2005, at 6:26:19

BF,
You wrote,[...We are {either}...members of (the body of Christ)...{or} we (are outside the family of faith)...].
Is this the same doctrine as ,[...Outside of the Church, there is no salvation...]?
Lou

 

Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp? Buckeye Fan

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2005, at 10:27:13

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 19, 2005, at 11:38:10

BF,
You wrote,[...God only "sees" two type of people on Earth...]and,[...the bible teaches that untill a man or woman is born again...they are lost and can not fellowship with God...]
and you cited a bible verse,[...I am the way...no man cometh to the Father but by me...].
In your thinking, do the statements above mean that those that do not honor Jesus Christ as God are not saved and are worshiping God as they understand God , in vain?
Lou Pilder

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp?

Posted by greenhornet on February 20, 2005, at 11:16:28

In reply to Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp? Buckeye Fan, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2005, at 10:27:13

> BF,
> You wrote,[...God only "sees" two type of people on Earth...]and,[...the bible teaches that untill a man or woman is born again...they are lost and can not fellowship with God...]
> and you cited a bible verse,[...I am the way...no man cometh to the Father but by me...].
> In your thinking, do the statements above mean that those that do not honor Jesus Christ as God are not saved and are worshiping God as they understand God , in vain?
> Lou Pilder

Lou,
I will let Buckeye fan do the long version, but --it is not the same to HONOR Jesus and to ACCEPT Him as Lord and savior.

"For by no other name than the name of Jesus Christ can we be saved." Acts 12:4

As for worshiping God or a god -- that rather depends which "god" they are worshiping. The belief that we all worship the same god regardless of our earthly religion is simply not the case.
Greenhornet

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp?

Posted by Buckeye Fan on February 20, 2005, at 14:42:57

In reply to Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp? Buckeye Fan, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2005, at 10:27:13

Dear Lou,
You wrote "In your thinking, do the statements above mean that those that do not honor Jesus Christ as God are not saved and are worshiping God as they understand God , in vain?"
Lou Pilder

You also asked in your earlier post if I meant that there was no salvation outside of The Church
*************************************************
I definitely want to be clear on this.
The ONLY church a person must be a member of , is the Church of The Lord Jesus.
Not Catholic.
Not Methodist
Not Anything...other than a born-again believer
and follower of God.

It is possible to have a high opinion about Jesus..
consider him to have been a prophet and/or good moral teacher....and still not go to Heaven.

These are not my opinions...or my thoughts.
What I am presenting is the clear teaching of the Bible...God Word.
Jesus was a real historical person who lived, and validated His words through many miraculous signs and wonders.
He was observed by hundreds...and after His resurrection from the grave, was seen by more than 500 people at one time.
He walked on water...healed blind eyes....and even gave commands to the wind and sea ( and they obeyed Him)

What makes Him different from ALL other religious leaders of any time period in human History was the fact that He was God in the flesh.
And as I mentioned.....He backed up His claims with verifiable miracles...including raising from the dead.

It is up to each person individually..when confronted with these facts, to decide for themselves if they want to be a Christian or not.
God does not force our obedience...nor does He deal with us unjustly.
He is good...ALL the time.
He is patient, loving and very concerned about His Creation.

Here are a few more statements that Jesus made:

Joh 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Joh 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Mt 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
( ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS)-BF


Joh 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
(THE JEWS CLAIMED THAT ABRAHAM WAS THIER FATHER...AND JESUS TOLD THEM THAT HE EXISTED BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS EVER BORN)-BF

REV 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is , and which was , and which is to come , the Almighty.

Jesus was either who He claimed to be...or not.

I and millions through the ages have experienced Him to be real and alive Today.
This is Basic Evangelical Christianity.

BF

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp? Buckeye Fan

Posted by greenhornet on February 20, 2005, at 15:05:23

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp?, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 20, 2005, at 14:42:57

> Dear Lou,
> You wrote "In your thinking, do the statements above mean that those that do not honor Jesus Christ as God are not saved and are worshiping God as they understand God , in vain?"
> Lou Pilder
>
> You also asked in your earlier post if I meant that there was no salvation outside of The Church
> *************************************************
> I definitely want to be clear on this.
> The ONLY church a person must be a member of , is the Church of The Lord Jesus.
> Not Catholic.
> Not Methodist
> Not Anything...other than a born-again believer
> and follower of God.
>
> It is possible to have a high opinion about Jesus..
> consider him to have been a prophet and/or good moral teacher....and still not go to Heaven.
>
> These are not my opinions...or my thoughts.
> What I am presenting is the clear teaching of the Bible...God Word.
> Jesus was a real historical person who lived, and validated His words through many miraculous signs and wonders.
> He was observed by hundreds...and after His resurrection from the grave, was seen by more than 500 people at one time.
> He walked on water...healed blind eyes....and even gave commands to the wind and sea ( and they obeyed Him)
>
> What makes Him different from ALL other religious leaders of any time period in human History was the fact that He was God in the flesh.
> And as I mentioned.....He backed up His claims with verifiable miracles...including raising from the dead.
>
> It is up to each person individually..when confronted with these facts, to decide for themselves if they want to be a Christian or not.
> God does not force our obedience...nor does He deal with us unjustly.
> He is good...ALL the time.
> He is patient, loving and very concerned about His Creation.
>
> Here are a few more statements that Jesus made:
>
> Joh 10:30
> I and my Father are one.
>
> Joh 3:36
> He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
>
> Mt 9:6
> But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
> ( ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS)-BF
>
>
> Joh 8:58
> Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
> (THE JEWS CLAIMED THAT ABRAHAM WAS THIER FATHER...AND JESUS TOLD THEM THAT HE EXISTED BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS EVER BORN)-BF
>
> REV 1:8
> I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is , and which was , and which is to come , the Almighty.
>
> Jesus was either who He claimed to be...or not.
>
> I and millions through the ages have experienced Him to be real and alive Today.
> This is Basic Evangelical Christianity.
>
> BF


Thank you Buckeye fan for once again for your clear, concise and solid statement(s)
I will only add that if there are those among you who need more; there is a whole
body of literature out there, along with the New Testament, that speaks of Jesus, his
divinity and his life on earth. Here is one excellent place to begin.
GH
http://www.iclnet.org/
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/christian-history.html

 

Lou's response togreenhornet's post-endrswrthofgd? greenhornet

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2005, at 15:38:35

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp? Buckeye Fan, posted by greenhornet on February 20, 2005, at 15:05:23

gh,
You wrote ,[...Thank you Buckeye Fan for...solid statements.].
Are you saying that you endorse all that the post in question that you are thanking him/her for including,[...he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him...].?
Lou Pilder

 

Re: Lou's response togreenhornet's post-endrswrtho

Posted by greenhornet on February 20, 2005, at 17:26:47

In reply to Lou's response togreenhornet's post-endrswrthofgd? greenhornet, posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2005, at 15:38:35

> gh,
> You wrote ,[...Thank you Buckeye Fan for...solid statements.].
> Are you saying that you endorse all that the post in question that you are thanking him/her for including,[...he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him...].?
> Lou Pilder
>
"The whole ball of wax" GH

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd? Buckeye Fan

Posted by rayww on February 20, 2005, at 21:27:38

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd?, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 20, 2005, at 6:26:19

It is good that you are familiar with the scriptures, and it seems we agree more than you realize. By your definition we are both saved. By my definition all mankind may be saved. There are differences but we don't need to belabor them here. I love God's word too. I download the audio to my iPod and sleep in headphones. I wake up to amazing messages.
http://www.lds.org/mp3/newarchive/0,18615,5249-1,00.html
Scriptures take just enough focus. I absolutely love them.

 

Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd? rayww

Posted by greenhornet on February 20, 2005, at 22:06:58

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd? Buckeye Fan, posted by rayww on February 20, 2005, at 21:27:38

> It is good that you are familiar with the scriptures, and it seems we agree more than you realize. By your definition we are both saved. By my definition all mankind may be saved. There are differences but we don't need to belabor them here. I love God's word too. I download the audio to my iPod and sleep in headphones. I wake up to amazing messages.
> http://www.lds.org/mp3/newarchive/0,18615,5249-1,00.html
> Scriptures take just enough focus. I absolutely love them.
>

Thank you both for sharing scripture. I too love Holy Scripture. There is an unfortunate misconception that those of us "whose home is Rome" Do not read the Bible......Not so, but I am not as good at finding and quoting the proper passage for a given situation. I am glad that you do have that ability. GH

 

How to find scripture greenhornet

Posted by rayww on February 21, 2005, at 11:35:32

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye fan-~svd? rayww, posted by greenhornet on February 20, 2005, at 22:06:58


> Thank you both for sharing scripture. I too love Holy Scripture. There is an unfortunate misconception that those of us "whose home is Rome" Do not read the Bible......Not so, but I am not as good at finding and quoting the proper passage for a given situation. I am glad that you do have that ability. GH


The ability sometimes has more to do with knowing how to quickly do the research, and I am still learning. For instance I just figured out how to narrow a search to just the New Testament. (finally eh) I realize not everyone uses the King James Bible, but if you do, on this site you can do a search on any word and pull up all NT references containing that word. The more you study the links the more you understand the language and the spirit.
If you are a person who can't make sense of scripture language, with a little study of Jewish tradition and poetic styles, it gets easier to visualize more than just the words. Many cultures communicate with symbols and pictures. One symbol can go very deep with meaning. It's like a web page. One link symbol takes you to another and another. The same thought process applies to scripture. It can be a very interesting journey through the pages of time and space. Think of all the interpretations of a single parable. A parable paints a poetic picture. I encourage you to try this and have a little fun with it.
http://scriptures.lds.org/search/contents?id=1109006729186
Later if you are so inclined, download some of the free mp3 files from The New Testament
http://www.lds.org/mp3/display/0,18692,5297-45,00.html
and from Jesus the Christ
http://www.lds.org/mp3/display/0,18692,5297-60,00.html

 

Re: Mental Ilness....and Demonic Oppression

Posted by linkadge on February 21, 2005, at 13:34:32

In reply to Mental Ilness....and Demonic Oppression, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 17, 2005, at 8:13:08

I think the association is probably the most retarted thing that man has ever come up with.

Its the amygdala playing games with you.

I've been little short of "Exercised" a dozen times over. Not only that, I have wholeheartedly done everything that was ever required of me and believed it to the best of my ability.

Does it change anything? Of course it doesn't.

Believing that you are posessed is perhaps the most pitiful, "end stage" attempt that the brain has to recapture some controll over it's emotions. It's pathetic.

And when you believe it. And when it fails you. Then you are *really* messed up. Cause then you have poor brain chemistry and poor religion mixed together.

I know what you're thinking. I know exactly what you're thinking!

"Oh my goodness, here is an example of somebody who really is posessed"

I tell you this. I wish I really was, cause then, at least I could have something I could do about my persistant "treatment resistant", "religion resistant", "exercise resistant", "GOD RESISTANT" suicidial ideation.


Linkadge


 

Re: Mental Ilness....and Demonic Oppression linkadge

Posted by SLS on February 21, 2005, at 17:00:58

In reply to Re: Mental Ilness....and Demonic Oppression, posted by linkadge on February 21, 2005, at 13:34:32

Hi Linkadge.

I know you are EXTREMELY angry, but you know how the civility thing works. Adherence to guidelines for civility is perhaps more important on the Faith forum than anywhere else, and it is essential to respect each other's belief systems.


- Scott

 

Re: blocked for week greenhornet Buckeye Fan

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 21, 2005, at 22:23:02

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Buckeye Fan-invandothywrshp?, posted by Buckeye Fan on February 20, 2005, at 14:42:57

> "For by no other name than the name of Jesus Christ can we be saved." Acts 12:4
>
> The belief that we all worship the same god regardless of our earthly religion is simply not the case.
>
> greenhornet

> Joh 3:36
> he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
>
> Buckeye Fan

Sorry, but the idea here is to support others and not to put down their beliefs. I've asked this of you before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.

Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: Mental Ilness....and Demonic Oppression

Posted by linkadge on February 22, 2005, at 13:49:33

In reply to Re: Mental Ilness....and Demonic Oppression, posted by linkadge on February 21, 2005, at 13:34:32

I am sorry if I have offended anyone. What I say is more a testament to my own feelings than anything else.

I am a human being. But in essence I am just a rat. I will press whatever lever is necessary to feel good. Or in my case just to feel ok.

You see the mice in the studies. When they have been wired to a cocaine lever for a month or so. Then all of a sudden the scientists disconnect the lever and so pressing it does nothing.

The mouse just goes nuts. It doesn't know what to do. It is powerless. It cannot do anything but live at the mercy of the scientists.

I am a rat, and god has disconnected my lever.


Fortunately I still have one lever left.


People just don't get it. They just don't understand. It's not attention that I want. I want relief. Thats all. I want what everyone wants, and what anyone would go insane without. I want sanity plain and simple.

I want people to get to the root of things, or just leave me alone. Because quite frankly I've learned to associate half-hearted attempts to help me, with more suffering in the long run.
So, I avoid half-hearted attempts like the plague.

Anyone can raise a flag.

Linkadge


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