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Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?

Posted by Harrach on April 28, 2004, at 20:41:27

Hello everyone,
a strange question but I am serious and not pulling anyone's leg. Jesus said on the Mount that 'if your eye is single, your whole body shall be full of light' (Matt6:22). Luke (11:36) adds, 'if then your whole body is full of light, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light'.

Has anyone here had the experience ? Doing research ...thx

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?

Posted by holymama on April 29, 2004, at 14:11:06

In reply to Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by Harrach on April 28, 2004, at 20:41:27

Hi Harrach, I don't think I've ever posted with you before. My name is Autumn and I have had a 'body full of light' before, when I was in a manic state. I had a very religious manic state in Seprtember or 2003 and felt full of the Holy Spirit. Although I was manic, I wonder if prophets of the Bible were in some sort of altered chemical state like mania, because it seems a perfect state to feel close to GOd in. I don't have my Bible in front of me, but I'm assuming that 'if your eye is single' means being focused on God with your heart and your mind and your soul, and I was, when I was in that state. I felt radiant, like I might be physically glowing to the eye, but also and mostly like I was filled with a goodness that filled every inch of my body, and all I wanted to do was go out and share it with anyone I encountered.

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?

Posted by Jai Narayan on April 29, 2004, at 22:38:00

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by holymama on April 29, 2004, at 14:11:06

I dreamed that I was filled with light and rays where shooting out of my hands. My arms were stiff from the force of the light and my hands ached.
I felt like the princess in Shrek looked when the spell was broken.
Rays were coming out of her hands and feet and she was filled with light.
I think the single eye refers to the third eye being open.

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ? Harrach

Posted by Simus on April 29, 2004, at 23:46:55

In reply to Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by Harrach on April 28, 2004, at 20:41:27

> Jesus said on the Mount that 'if your eye is single, your whole body shall be full of light' (Matt6:22). Luke (11:36) adds, 'if then your whole body is full of light, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light'.
>
> Has anyone here had the experience?

I will give you just a few of the many "light" scriptures and to study, and let you decide what the experience is.

Once more Jesus addressed the crowd. He said, I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not be walking in the dark, but will have the Light which is Life. John 8:12

For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds [that they should not discern the truth], preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ (the Messiah), Who is the Image and Likeness of God. 2 Cor 4:4

For You cause my lamp to be lighted and to shine; the Lord my God illumines my darkness. Psalm 18:28

The Lord is my Light and my Salvation--whom shall I fear or dread? Psalm 27:1

O send out Your light and Your truth, let them lead me; let them bring me to Your holy hill and to Your dwelling. Psalm 43:3

For You have delivered my life from death, yes, and my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of life and of the living. Psalm 56:13

Light arises in the darkness for the upright, gracious, compassionate, and just [who are in right standing with God]. Psalm 112:4

The Lord is God, Who has shown and given us light [He has illuminated us with grace, freedom, and joy]. Psalm 18:27

Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path. Psalm 119:105

The entrance and unfolding of Your words give light; their unfolding gives understanding (discernment and comprehension) to the simple. Psalm 119:130

For the commandment is a lamp, and the whole teaching [of the law] is light, and reproofs of discipline are the way of life. Proverbs 6:23

Arise [from the depression and prostration in which circumstances have kept you--rise to a new life]! Shine (be radiant with the glory of the Lord), for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you! Isaiah 60:1

Your sun shall no more go down, nor shall your moon withdraw itself, for the Lord shall be your everlasting light, and the days of your mourning shall be ended. Isaiah 60:20


 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?

Posted by Harrach on April 30, 2004, at 11:33:02

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by holymama on April 29, 2004, at 14:11:06

> Hi Harrach, I don't think I've ever posted with you before. My name is Autumn and I have had a 'body full of light' before, when I was in a manic state. I had a very religious manic state in Seprtember or 2003 and felt full of the Holy Spirit. Although I was manic, I wonder if prophets of the Bible were in some sort of altered chemical state like mania, because it seems a perfect state to feel close to GOd in.

Thanks for sharing that with me 'holymama'. My research is especially about people like you. I think you are right about your experience being essentially the prophet's kind of ecstasy in which he or she communicates with God. Ecstasy internally=mania externally. It's strange but that is not the strangest thing in life.
Would you like to open up an e-mail conversation on this with me?

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?

Posted by Harrach on April 30, 2004, at 11:51:10

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ? Harrach, posted by Simus on April 29, 2004, at 23:46:55

> >
> > Has anyone here had the experience?
>
> I will give you just a few of the many "light" scriptures and to study, and let you decide what the experience is.
>
> Once more Jesus addressed the crowd. He said, I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not be walking in the dark, but will have the Light which is Life. John 8:12
>
> For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds [that they should not discern the truth], preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ (the Messiah), Who is the Image and Likeness of God. 2 Cor 4:4
>
> For You cause my lamp to be lighted and to shine; the Lord my God illumines my darkness. Psalm 18:28
>
> The Lord is my Light and my Salvation--whom shall I fear or dread? Psalm 27:1
>
> O send out Your light and Your truth, let them lead me; let them bring me to Your holy hill and to Your dwelling. Psalm 43:3
>
> For You have delivered my life from death, yes, and my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of life and of the living. Psalm 56:13
>
> Light arises in the darkness for the upright, gracious, compassionate, and just [who are in right standing with God]. Psalm 112:4
>
> The Lord is God, Who has shown and given us light [He has illuminated us with grace, freedom, and joy]. Psalm 18:27
>
> Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path. Psalm 119:105
>
> The entrance and unfolding of Your words give light; their unfolding gives understanding (discernment and comprehension) to the simple. Psalm 119:130
>
> For the commandment is a lamp, and the whole teaching [of the law] is light, and reproofs of discipline are the way of life. Proverbs 6:23
>
> Arise [from the depression and prostration in which circumstances have kept you--rise to a new life]! Shine (be radiant with the glory of the Lord), for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you! Isaiah 60:1
>
> Your sun shall no more go down, nor shall your moon withdraw itself, for the Lord shall be your everlasting light, and the days of your mourning shall be ended. Isaiah 60:20
>
>

Thanks a bunch for putting all this together for me. BTW, did you yourself have this experience of a body filling up with light or dissolving into light ?

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?

Posted by Harrach on April 30, 2004, at 13:48:00

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by Jai Narayan on April 29, 2004, at 22:38:00

> I dreamed that I was filled with light and rays where shooting out of my hands. My arms were stiff from the force of the light and my hands ached.
> I felt like the princess in Shrek looked when the spell was broken.
> Rays were coming out of her hands and feet and she was filled with light.
> I think the single eye refers to the third eye being open.

Like my teacher used to say: Interesting, but the real question is to whom.

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ? Harrach

Posted by holymama on April 30, 2004, at 14:22:17

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by Harrach on April 30, 2004, at 11:33:02

Harrach, I would love to talk with you about it. I have been struggling to come to terms with what I've experienced and it is hard to find anyone who I can talk with about it. I'm at autumn@heavendesign.com

~~Autumn~~

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?

Posted by rayww on April 30, 2004, at 21:46:35

In reply to Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by Harrach on April 28, 2004, at 20:41:27

Light and darkness is visible in a person. I have known people whose appearance and countenance changes as they turn their life around and start living the commandments of God. They look younger, brighter, lighter, happier because their eye is single to the glory of God, and they begin to reflect his image in their countenance.

I had a bipolar light experience one time, but my family saw me as dark, so just because in our swing we feel full of light doesn't mean others will see it in us.

At one time I wondered if prophets were bipolar, but the more I study them the more I am convinced that God just uses the best he has to work with to get his message across to the world. (God's not man's message)


Who is the source of all light?
God is

Who is God?
God is love, therefore he has passion.
He stretches out his hand, therefore he has body parts
We are created in his image, therefore he has a body shaped like man.
He hears our prayers and answers them.
He created all of this, therefore he owns all
As wonderful a creation as man is, God is greater yet.

If I pray to a false god will the real one hear me?
No. God does not deceive, and he cannot lie. He cannot pretend to be someone he isn't

How do I know who the real God is?
He will answer my prayer with true light and knowledge

If I need some help from Sue and I ask Jane, will Sue hear and help me?
No.

What is the difference between the athiest, Christian, and Jewish definition of God?
Athiest: God is nothing because there is no god
Christian: God is a mass of nothingness so large it fills the universe, etc
Jewish: God is.
Mormon: God the Father has a tangible glorified body of flesh and bone, and so does His son, Jesus Christ.

In common: God is "omnipotent," "omnipresent," and "omniscient"

Do you picture light emenating from a presence or from a mass of nothing?
From a presence.

If god was in the room with you, even though you could not see him, would you be able to see his light and feel his presence?
Yes, depending on how much I am able and worthy to feel and see.

Can God walk into a room?
Yes

Can God hug you?
Yes

Has God ever hugged you?
Yes he has hugged me with his love

How do you know?
I believe I said good bye to him as I came to earth, a baby.

Can you remember how it felt?
yes almost.

Do you long for that again?
Yes

Was He full of light?
Yes

How do you know?
It's just in my head and I see it when I think of god.

Do you feel light when you think about God?
Yes.

Is light knowledge?
yes, truth.

Is it real or imagined?
real

How is it seen?
Eye to eye.

Have you ever looked into the eye of a baby?
That is light.

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ? rayww

Posted by simus on May 1, 2004, at 0:54:10

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by rayww on April 30, 2004, at 21:46:35

> Light and darkness is visible in a person. I have known people whose appearance and countenance changes as they turn their life around and start living the commandments of God. They look younger, brighter, lighter, happier because their eye is single to the glory of God, and they begin to reflect his image in their countenance.

"Reflect His image"... Beautifully written.

> Christian: God is a mass of nothingness so large it fills the universe, etc

Oh, rayww!!! Where did you get this??? I don't get offended often, but I am now! Angry is more like it! DO NOT CALL MY GOD A MASS OF NOTHINGNESS!!! That is blasphemous! By the way, the Bible says that the only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Is this what your Morman church is telling you that Christians believe, or did you come up with this on your own??? I would hate to think that your "organization" is spreading lies like this.

> If god was in the room with you, even though you could not see him, would you be able to see his light and feel his presence?
> Yes, depending on how much I am able and worthy to feel and see.

Worthy? If we were capable of being worthy by our own works, God wouldn't have needed to send Jesus to redeem us from sin. Is the birth, life, crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ REALLY a non-event to mormons? Was Saul "able and worthy" for the visit from Jesus (already risen and seated on the right hand of God at this point) on the Damascus road just BEFORE his conversion to CHRISTIANITY and being renamed Paul from which point he carried out one of the greatest ministries in the history of Christianity? Paul's own testimony was that he considered himself to be the chief of all sinners at the point of the visitation of Jesus. NOTICE THAT I AM A CHRISTIAN, AND I SAID THAT GOD HAS A RIGHT "HAND", WHICH DISPROVES YOUR RELIGION'S PROPOGANDA ABOUT CHRISTIANS.

> How do you know?
> It's just in my head and I see it when I think of god.

I really do believe you when you say it is in your head. Get Jesus in your heart and you will see His truth and His light.

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ? Harrach

Posted by simus on May 1, 2004, at 2:37:49

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by Harrach on April 30, 2004, at 11:51:10

> Jesus said on the Mount that 'if your eye is single, your whole body shall be full of light' (Matt6:22). Luke (11:36) adds, 'if then your whole body is full of light, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light'.


Harrach,

Jesus often spoke in parables when He was teaching the multitudes. This is the case in the verses you cited. Later He would usually pull His disciples aside and explain what the parable representations meant.

The body referred to is the body of Christ.

"Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually." 1 Cor 12:27

The "light" is Jesus Himself, as told in the Gospel or the "Good News" of Jesus Christ, the means of our salvation.

"Once more Jesus addressed the crowd. He said, I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not be walking in the dark, but will have the Light which is Life." John 8:12

The eye refers to our means of perception. A single eye is a focused perspective. Satan had blinded the unbelievers to the light of the "good news" of the Gospel.

"For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds [that they should not discern the truth], preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ (the Messiah), Who is the Image and Likeness of God." 2 Cor 4:4

But the truth of the Gospel is that that through Jesus, the Gentiles (unbelievers) can become part of the body of Christ.

"This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 3:6

Therefore, the verses you cited mean that if the focus of the church as a whole and the members individually keep our focus on Jesus Christ and His Gospel, we will not walk in error, but in truth and unity and in Christ Himself.

I am not a great Bible scholar (probably should have started with this disclaimer - LOL), but I pray that helps you a little.

Be blessed.

 

Re: please be civil simus

Posted by Dr. Bob on May 1, 2004, at 9:57:57

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ? rayww, posted by simus on May 1, 2004, at 0:54:10

> I don't get offended often, but I am now! Angry is more like it! DO NOT CALL MY GOD A MASS OF NOTHINGNESS!!!

I wonder if there's a misunderstanding here?

> lies like this.
>
> YOUR RELIGION'S PROPOGANDA ABOUT CHRISTIANS.

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.

If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

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Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.

Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: please be civil Dr. Bob

Posted by simus on May 1, 2004, at 16:58:40

In reply to Re: please be civil simus, posted by Dr. Bob on May 1, 2004, at 9:57:57

> > I don't get offended often, but I am now! Angry is more like it! DO NOT CALL MY GOD A MASS OF NOTHINGNESS!!!
>
> I wonder if there's a misunderstanding here?

Dear Dr. Bob,

With all due respect, how else could this be understood? Webster defines "nothingness" as "non-existence". Do you really think that it would be less offensive to a Christian to have their God called "nonexistence"? I have never said that the mormon god was nonexistent, but I daresay that if I did, I would have expected you to block me for doing so.

She also implied that her statement was the Christian's view of God. I don't know if that was simply her ignorance of the Christian faith, or a deliberate attack against Christians. But I will give her the benefit of a doubt and assume it was just ignorance.

And I apologize for using the term "lies". That was written in anger. I would like to rephrase the word as "untruths", which doesn't necessarily imply a deliberate deception.

I also apologize for using the term propaganda. Again referring to Webster, propaganda is "the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person". Her statements were the spreading of ideas that could potentially injure the institution of Christianity, but I admit to having no proof that this was her intent and purpose.

I will sincerely try to weigh my words more carefully in the future before I write them.

 

Re: the nature of God simus

Posted by Dinah on May 1, 2004, at 21:20:00

In reply to Re: please be civil Dr. Bob, posted by simus on May 1, 2004, at 16:58:40

I was raised in the Mormon church, and am pretty sure that incorporeal was all that was meant. As opposed to flesh and blood.

As one who *does* believe that God is incorporeal, that God couldn't be confined to a mere body, I find nothing offensive at the thought. I always consider God to be beyond my understanding and vast enough to fill the universe. Isn't there a belief in the Jewish Kabbalah (could be wrong here, it's been a while) that God's breath is what sustains the universe? I've always loved that thought.

 

Re: the nature of God

Posted by Pathur on May 1, 2004, at 21:49:38

In reply to Re: the nature of God simus, posted by Dinah on May 1, 2004, at 21:20:00

Hi Dinah, I like the idea of Gods breath sustaining the universe. I have a saying that I read from a book on the life of Richard Burton (the explorer) that has always stuck with me. Its a Sufi saying," God is so nakedly apparent that He is not visible to man ", kinda like breath in a way. Back to the topic of light, I came close to what I would consider that feeling, a sensation of total syncronicity, I was walking downtown in search of a particular book, all the crosswalk signals changed to walk as I approached and there were many, I felt otherworldly and extremely relaxed, I felt as though I was glowing, I found the book I was looking for at the first stop, a hardcover copy "on sale to boot" at a greatly reduced price, to this day that price has never dropped as low as it was on that day. That sensation remained with me for the rest of that day. I've had similar experiences but as of today not to that degree. Richard of St. Victor wrote of the degrees of love, I've lost that book, but if anything came close to describing that sensation of wonder and completeness to me it was that passage regarding the fourth degree of love, thanks for letting me share.

 

Re: the nature of God

Posted by rayww on May 2, 2004, at 0:53:57

In reply to Re: the nature of God simus, posted by Dinah on May 1, 2004, at 21:20:00

Mere body is hardly how I would describe God. I like the thought about God's breath sustaining the universe. There again, "breath" infers that God breathes. I agree that God is everywhere present. No matter where/who we are, he is aware of each one of us, anxious to commune with us. He is all powerful. But although I can picture his breath being so large it fills the universe yet so small it can dwell in my heart, I cannot picture God Himself as being that large and that small. To me, that is only air, and even though air is full of element and energy, both organized and unorganized, I believe God is organized according to heavenly law, whatever that might be.

It stands to reason that since everything else is organized according to law, and since we have governments that are set up to govern the land, there would also be law and governments in heaven to govern there.

I have faith to believe in the God I cannot see, but in my opinion the Bible is not understood by those who deny Him his own body, as there are so very many references to his parts and passions.

My definition of the Christian God was my perception of the Christian definition of God, not in any way meant to deny the existance of anyone else's faith or belief in "God", nor to offend God himself. I don't believe what I said offended God.

When you talk to God do you talk to him as though he was your best and closest confident/friend/counsellor/father? When I talk to him I see a face and feel his love. His gentle features, loving smile, tenderness, compassion. Hello, do we know the same God??????

Soon the world will know him as he is. He promised that in the last days there would be no question as to who he really is for anyone who really wants to know.

To Simus, I hope you understand that I did not mean to infer that you do not believe or have faith in God. What I write from the heart is from the heart. If I am writing from scripture I will usually leave a link.


> I was raised in the Mormon church, and am pretty sure that incorporeal was all that was meant. As opposed to flesh and blood.
>
> As one who *does* believe that God is incorporeal, that God couldn't be confined to a mere body, I find nothing offensive at the thought. I always consider God to be beyond my understanding and vast enough to fill the universe. Isn't there a belief in the Jewish Kabbalah (could be wrong here, it's been a while) that God's breath is what sustains the universe? I've always loved that thought.

 

Re: the nature of God rayww

Posted by Dinah on May 2, 2004, at 9:56:38

In reply to Re: the nature of God, posted by rayww on May 2, 2004, at 0:53:57

I didn't mean to offend, Ray. I didn't mean, of course, that God was merely a body. I meant to express my own personal view of the body as a frail instrument. Heaven only knows that as my body ages I see it as being frailer and frailer.

Yes, my belief is that we all "see" the same God. We just see him through the lenses of our belief system, our own complex needs, our limited understanding of that which is presently beyond our understanding.

Mostly I "see" him through his works. Not just the crash of waves or the majesty of mountains, but the intricacy and complexity of the human brain and the self correcting nature of the world and the mercy and compassion that the human soul is capable of.

If there is an afterlife of any sort, I imagine we'll all get a better understanding of the nature of God. Until then, I fully expect there to be differences in how we see God. And I rather expect God will understand that. (Of course, I tend to expect an awful lot of God.)

 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?

Posted by Harrach on May 2, 2004, at 10:30:45

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ? Harrach, posted by simus on May 1, 2004, at 2:37:49

> > Jesus said on the Mount that 'if your eye is single, your whole body shall be full of light' (Matt6:22). Luke (11:36) adds, 'if then your whole body is full of light, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light'.
>
>
> Harrach,
>
> Jesus often spoke in parables when He was teaching the multitudes. This is the case in the verses you cited. Later He would usually pull His disciples aside and explain what the parable representations meant.
>

I take it that neither you nor I were on the Mount and had Jesus' words firsthand. There are religious scholars who believe that the sermon
was a combined wisdom of the early Christian community. Indeed if you read through the symbolism of the sacred mountain, you'll find that unlike Moses who was meeting with God alone on Horeb/Sinai which was forbidden to all other living creatures, Jesus brought in a multitude of the poor in spirit who yearned to see what he saw, and to be what he was. They were with him to face God. He did not speak to them in parables.

> The body referred to is the body of Christ.
>
> "Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually." 1 Cor 12:27
>
> The "light" is Jesus Himself, as told in the Gospel or the "Good News" of Jesus Christ, the means of our salvation.
>
> "Once more Jesus addressed the crowd. He said, I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not be walking in the dark, but will have the Light which is Life." John 8:12
>
> The eye refers to our means of perception. A single eye is a focused perspective. Satan had blinded the unbelievers to the light of the "good news" of the Gospel.
>
> "For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds [that they should not discern the truth], preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ (the Messiah), Who is the Image and Likeness of God." 2 Cor 4:4
>
> But the truth of the Gospel is that that through Jesus, the Gentiles (unbelievers) can become part of the body of Christ.
>
> "This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 3:6
>
> Therefore, the verses you cited mean that if the focus of the church as a whole and the members individually keep our focus on Jesus Christ and His Gospel, we will not walk in error, but in truth and unity and in Christ Himself.

You see, I don't have a problem with this. But, there are a lot of people out there - some of them not Christian - who actually experience during an acstasy the sensations that are described as 'illumination', or a 'body full of light'. Those are the ones I wanted to engage.


>
> I am not a great Bible scholar (probably should have started with this disclaimer - LOL), but I pray that helps you a little.
>
> Be blessed.

Neither am I, and I thank you.

 

Re: the nature of God

Posted by Harrach on May 2, 2004, at 11:33:55

In reply to Re: the nature of God rayww, posted by Dinah on May 2, 2004, at 9:56:38



> ...my belief is that we all "see" the same God. We just see him through the lenses of our belief system, our own complex needs, our limited understanding of that which is presently beyond our understanding.
>

Harrach's Wisdom (XIV. suitcase):

On his [...illegible] Harrach met a preacher, who greeted him, 'Brother, the Lord has sent me to show you the way to Salvation...'. ' That is strange, Harrach replied, 'for the Lord has sent me on my way to Wisdom. And behold, our paths are crossing.'

Harrach's Wisdom (LXI. suitcase):

We are all stations on God's radio. We all have different tastes in His music.

> Mostly I "see" him through his works. Not just the crash of waves or the majesty of mountains, but the intricacy and complexity of the human brain and the self correcting nature of the world and the mercy and compassion that the human soul is capable of.
>

Harrach's Wisdom (XXV. suitcase)

It is not that if God did not exist everything would be permitted, it is that people without conscience will permit themselves anything.

Harrach's Wisdom (I. suitcase):

Two patriarchs came to Harrach to challenge his wisdom. They said: if it is true that you be wise, give us the Ten Commandments by God as Woman. And Harrach replied: God as Woman does not have Ten Commandments but a Single Plea: 'Desire less, Appreciate more'.


 

Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ? Harrach

Posted by simus on May 2, 2004, at 23:43:10

In reply to Re: Anyone here had a 'body full of light' ?, posted by Harrach on May 2, 2004, at 10:30:45

> there are a lot of people out there - some of them not Christian - who actually experience during an acstasy the sensations that are described as 'illumination', or a 'body full of light'. Those are the ones I wanted to engage.

I understand. Good luck.

 

Re: thanks (nm) simus

Posted by Dr. Bob on May 3, 2004, at 4:41:44

In reply to Re: please be civil Dr. Bob, posted by simus on May 1, 2004, at 16:58:40


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