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The 7th Gate-Dwelling in God-part 15

Posted by lou pilder on October 10, 2002, at 19:17:37

In reply to The 7th Gate-Dwelling in God-part 14, posted by lou pilder on October 10, 2002, at 19:06:29

Friends,
He continued, "You are my friends, if you do what The Word of God has said to you. From now on , I call you friends instead of servants, for all things that My Father has said to me I will reveal to you. I have chosen you so that you can bring forth fruit. Again, follow God's command to love one another."
Lou

 

The 7th Gate-Dwelling in God-part 16

Posted by lou pilder on October 10, 2002, at 19:32:15

In reply to The 7th Gate-Dwelling in God-part 15, posted by lou pilder on October 10, 2002, at 19:17:37

Friends,
One asked, "How does this love come to us?" He answered, "If you dwell in God , God will dwell in you. God is light. Walk in the light instead of the darkness. God is spirit. Walk in the spirit instead of the flesh. God is love and not fear. Follow the Word of God and God's love casts out all fear.
Lou

 

Hmmm...Anyone Else Remember This? lou pilder

Posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 0:43:15

In reply to The 7th Gate-Dwelling in God-part 16, posted by lou pilder on October 10, 2002, at 19:32:15

Way back when all this started, I seem to remember someone saying this:

"I have nothing to do with any religion...."

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020202/msgs/17944.html

Luuuccy, jou have some splainin' to do!

- Cam

 

Lou's answer to CamW's post Cam W.

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 7:43:41

In reply to Hmmm...Anyone Else Remember This? lou pilder, posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 0:43:15

CamW,
For the past 10 months, you have been reading what I have posted about the experiance that I had tht transformed me in a way that I was able to overcome addiction and depression. The experiance that I had had nothing to do with belonging to a religion. In fact, I have been ostracised from religions. My friends and family have shunned me for telling them about my experiance. People have derided me and scorned me for telling them my experiance. Internet forums have prevented me from telling my experiance on their electronic boards. Yet today, I consider myself to be the luckiest man on the face of the earth.
Lou

 

Lou's answer to CamW's post-part 2

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 8:28:01

In reply to Lou's answer to CamW's post Cam W., posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 7:43:41

CamW,
It was revealed to me that the experiance that I had could be experianced by anyone. For the experiance was a spiritual experiance. Any one could experiance a Rider on a White Horse.The person's religious affiliation has nothing to do with receiving the experiance.
The Rider on the White Horse was the Word of God and the Word can dwell in anyone, regardless of their religious affiliation, or no affiliation at all. I have met people that have experianced the Word by hearing the Word. But a deaf person could hear the Word, for the Word is spiritually decerned. People have told me that they heard the Word in a cloud, or a fire, or in a dream, or a song, or that they had an encounter with a person and they said that the person was God clothed in a human body. This is called a theophany. Some of the religions of the world referr to their founder as being a man named Abraham. And they tell of Abraham being visited by a high priest from Salem that had no beggining or end. Some say that the man was God in a human body. These religions believe that God can visit you in a human body. And when I was in The City of Peace, I saw a Rider on a White Horse and He said to me, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He shall dwell with them. And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, niether sorrow, nor crying, nor pain, for the former things will pass away." And He said to me, "Tell of these words, for they are true. I am the Alpha and the Omega. I wil give to him that thirsts the Water of Life freely. He that overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the fearfull, and murderers, the abominable, and the pharmakeia and all those that are liars shall have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone which is the Second Death."
Lou

 

A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:18:19

In reply to Lou's answer to CamW's post-part 2, posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 8:28:01

Friends,
The word that I heard the Rider say was -pharmakeia. I later made an inquiery into this word and here is what I found out. First, the word is a Greek word, which our word pharmacy comes from. Also the word pharmakeus, pharmakon and pharmakos. I reserched the word through Greek language experts. My focus, here, is in the use in the Rider's statemet that the pharmakeia will have their part in the Lake of Fire, which is the second death. The following is what I have found out about the word, "pharmakeia"
Lou

 

A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(2)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:25:51

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia, posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:18:19

Friends,
In reserching the use of drugs, I found out that drugs have been used for 5000 years or so to alter a person's mind. Drunkeness is also having your mind altered, sometimes for a short time and sometimes for a long time. People have been altering their minds with wine and such since recording in the bible the account of Noah who planted a vinyard after the ark came to rest and he got drunk, possibly accidental.
Lou

 

A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(3)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:34:57

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(2), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:25:51

Friends,
Now marijuana evidence has been discovered in tombs thousands of years old and has been used to alter the minds of paid murders thousnds of years ago. The word "assassin" comes from the name of the marijuana used back then called "hashish." The ancient Sumarians used opium thousands of years ago. Now I am getting to the use of the word,"pharmakeia" by the Rider in reference to drug use and these pharmakeians being cast into the lake of fire which the Rider said is the second death.
Lou

 

A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(4)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:59:53

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(3), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:34:57

Friends,
I found out in my reserch about the Greek word-pharmakeia, that the word appears in the bible as the word, "sorcerer". And in my reserch I found out that a "sorcerer" was someone going back 3000 years or more, that used drugs to alter a person's mind. Hallucinogenic drugs such as marijuana, halluciogenic mushrooms, opium, and other substances were avaiable to the anciant peoples. And a dirivative of cocain has been found in the body of an Egyptian mummy over 3000 years old sugessting that Egyptians of that era travled to South America and brought back the cocoa leaves, since the cocoa plant is not native to Egypt. But, the plant could have florished in Egypt 3000 years ago. There is evidence that the ancient Egyptians used drugs for medicine and pain relief. In my study of the word pharmakeia, the use of drugs to relieve pain is not grouped with the use of drugs to alter the mind. In my reserch of the use of the word "pharmakeia", I have found that the use of the word, as translated "sorcerer" is confined to the use of drugs to alter the mind in a spacific manner.
Lou

 

A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(5)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 10:50:55

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(4), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:59:53

Friends,
In my study of the word,"pharmakeia", I wanted to know what the Rider was referring to when He said that the pharmakeia would be cast into the Lake of Fire which is the second death. I reserched and found out that there are religions, historically, that requirere one to take mood or mind-altering drugs in order to communicate with their diety. So I remebererd when I had asked the Rider when I was in te City of Peace who the pharmakeia were. He said, "Walk in he spirit, not in the flesh, for these are contrary to one another." I asked, "What are the works of the flesh?" He answered, "The works of the flesh are: adultery, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jelous outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, envy, murders, drunkenness, and those that practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. For the fruit of the spirit is love, joy , peace, longsuffeing, kindnes, gentleness, self-control, and if you are living in the spirit, walk in the spirit and you will not fullfill the lust of the flesh."
Lou

 

important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(5)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 11:52:43

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(5), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 10:50:55

Friends,
In my research and rememberance of my experiance, I found some other meanings of the word "pharmakeia" and who the "pharmakeia" are that are cast into the Lake of Fire which is the second death.
When I heard The Word of God, He said to me, "Some of you were once sorcerers, but when you changed your mind to having the mind of God, you were cleansed of your past and you are a whole new creation and your old self has passed away. Put on the new man and have the mind of God in you and you will ovrcome the works of the flesh. He who overcomes will receive the Crown of Life."
Lou

 

important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(6)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 12:48:37

In reply to important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(5), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 11:52:43

Friends,
I asked the Rider for some further explanation about "sorcerers" and the lake of fire, for I considered it to be a very serious matter and I did no want to be cast into the lake of fire. He said to me, "Lou, make your body a living sacrifice to God. And be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind and put on the new man which was created in rightiousness and holiness."
Lou

 

Lou

Posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 13:07:43

In reply to important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(6), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 12:48:37

Where is this drama taking place. Is itplaying out in a physical place? Is all this happening in your mind. I am very curious as to which physical senses you are/were using when you had this revelation. Where were you (physically) when these revelations occurred to you (eg. while asleep; just upon waking or falling asleep; at work; in the middle of the street; etc.)

Sorry, I am still trying to figure out why the story is written in a style similar to that used by many of the organized religious sects of the world, but the message is not supposed to be religious? Could you help me with this?

Oh, and could you answer in one post; I find clicking from post to post very annoying. Thanks, Cam.

 

The Rider's answer to taking mind--altering drugs

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 13:12:42

In reply to important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(6), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 12:48:37

Friends,
I asked the Word of God what an alterative would be to taking mood or mind-altering drugs. He answered, "If you be in tribulation, seek God with all your heart and you will find Him. And be obediant to His voice and He will not forsake you. For each day you have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: thearfore choose life, for God is life."
Lou

 

Cam's questions-where the exprince is taking place Cam W.

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 13:42:09

In reply to Lou, posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 13:07:43

CamW,
I am glad that you are interested in the experiance that I have been posting here. Your first question is where is the experiance taking place.
The experiance is a spiritual experiance. But there were times when I was , let's say, "out of the body." It was real to me and know that I can not take you personally to witness the things that I have told here. For other's experiances will be different from mine. I have not finished the Road to the Crown of life yet, but for your information, we were on motorcycles and I think that only one person saw that here. The Rider on theWhite Horse was riding a pearl-white Harley-Davidson and I , a stunning 1950 TRIUMPH T-100 speed twin. We were bikers, and were ld to the City of Peace by the Rider. I havn't yet told of arriving at the City. But others may see the Rider in a different settng.
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire lou pilder

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 16:34:17

In reply to Lou's answer to CamW's post-part 2, posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 8:28:01

Friends,
Recently, I posted referrence to The Lake of Fire. And I was told in my experiance by the Word of God that sorcerers, liars, murderers, etc. were cast into the lake of Fire which is the second death.
I have not finished explaining what all I have found out about who the pharmakia are. But I was told by the Word of God that the people cast into the lake of fire were those that spiritually belonged in those groups as well as those that actually commited the acts, for the Rider said that if someone hated another in his heart, he was a murderer, and if someone lusted upon another's wife, in his heart, he was an adulterer, spiritually. That revelation that was given to me caused me to admit that I belonged in the group that would be cast into the Lake of Fire, even though I never actually killed anyone or committed adultery. But the good news is that it was revealed to me by the Word of God that your past can be forgiven when you forgive others and you forgive yourself and have your mind changed to God's mind.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's answer to CamW's post Cam W.

Posted by Dr. Bob on October 11, 2002, at 16:37:13

In reply to Lou's answer to CamW's post Cam W., posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 7:43:41

[Posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 13:11:01]

> .... Yet today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth.
> > Lou
>
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> Why is that, Lou?
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> - Cam
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks Cam W.

Posted by Dr. Bob on October 11, 2002, at 23:14:39

In reply to Lou, posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 13:07:43

> Where is this drama taking place. Is itplaying out in a physical place? Is all this happening in your mind. I am very curious as to which physical senses you are/were using when you had this revelation. Where were you (physically) when these revelations occurred to you (eg. while asleep; just upon waking or falling asleep; at work; in the middle of the street; etc.)
>
> Sorry, I am still trying to figure out why the story is written in a style similar to that used by many of the organized religious sects of the world, but the message is not supposed to be religious? Could you help me with this?
>
> Oh, and could you answer in one post; I find clicking from post to post very annoying.

Please be supportive and don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused. The last time you were blocked it was for 2 weeks, so this time I'm making it for 4.

Bob

PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.

 

The Lake of Fire (2)

Posted by lou pilder on October 12, 2002, at 11:50:36

In reply to The Lake of Fire lou pilder, posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 16:34:17

Friends,
The 7th Gate revealed that it is requirerd for one to change their mind to God's mind in order to go through the Gate, which leads to the City of Peace. Some of our group were taking prescribed drugs that were mood or mind altering and they wanted to know if that would prevent them from entering the City of Peace. The following is the answer given by the Rider, who is the Word of God.
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (3)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:03:22

In reply to The Lake of Fire (2), posted by lou pilder on October 12, 2002, at 11:50:36

Friends,
The Rider answered, "Blessed are those that do God's commandments, that they may have the right to the Tree of Life, and may enter through the Gates of the City. But outside are the adulterers and the pharmakon and murderers and idolaters and those that love and practice a lie."
Lou

 

Re: The Lake of Fire (4)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:24:48

In reply to The Lake of Fire (3), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:03:22

Friends,
The Rider said that the "pharmakon" would not enter the City of Peace. I reserched the Greek word and found out that it referred to the people that made, or gave drugs to people in the ancient times around 2-4 thousand years ago for the purpose of altering their minds, not to releive pain or cure disease. The people that made or sold or gave the drugs to people were called sorcerers or witchcraft people in the middle ages, not only the people that took the drugs.
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (5)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:58:25

In reply to Re: The Lake of Fire (4), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:24:48

Friends,
The Rider continued, "God will open the Gates that the rightious people which keeps the truth may enter in. God will keep him in perfect peace, whose Mind is stayed on Him. Trust the Lord forever, for in God there is everlasting strength.
Those that wait on the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint."
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (6)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 19:58:58

In reply to The Lake of Fire (5), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:58:25

Friends,
The question of if someone was taking prescribed drugs that are mood or mind-altering could cause them to be cast into the lake of fire was still asked by some to the Rider. He answered, "You are not to be drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit of God. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: thearfore let us cast off the works of darkness and let us put on the armor of light. Let us walk honestly in the day, not in drunkenness nor in strife. But put on the Mind of God and make no provision for the flesh to fullfill its lusts.
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (7)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 20:14:59

In reply to The Lake of Fire (6), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 19:58:58

Friends,
Then one asked the Rider again about the use of prescribed mood or mind-altering drugs. The Rider answered, "And now, friends, what does God require of you, but to fear Him, to walk in all His ways, and to love Him, and serve Him with All your heart and All your soul and to keep His comandments which are for your good?"
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (8)

Posted by lou pilder on October 14, 2002, at 8:33:15

In reply to The Lake of Fire (7), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 20:14:59

Friends,
One said that she took drugs because other people did bad things to her. The Rider answered,"Fret not yourself because of evildoers, nor be envious of the workers of iniquity. For they will be cut down like he grass. Trust in the Lord and do good and delight yourself in the Lord and He shall give you the desires of your heart.
Commit your way to the Lord and Trust in Him. He shall bring forth your rightiousness as the light and your justice as the noonday.
Rest in the Lord, and wait paitiantly for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way.
Cease from anger, and forsake wrath; For evildoers shall be cut off; But those that wait on the Lord, They shall inherit the earth and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
Lou


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