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Going on the Road kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 7:12:38

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
You raised a good question when you said that I am leading people to the Road and that could mean that I am saying that I am, somehow, getting involved with what God is doing.
When I went through the first Gate , I described seeing a Rider on a White Horse.
You see, I am desribing how I was led on the Road to the Crown of Life. I am describing that it is, indeed, the Rider that is doing the leading, not myself. And when anyone else travels the Road, the Rider will, indeed, do the leading. I am only describing my experiance as to how I was led by the Rider on the White Horse.
When I was in the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "If any one serves Me, let him follow me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor."
Lou

 

The rightiousness needed to enter the Kingdom kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 11:01:04

In reply to Re: just clarifying.... lou pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:17:07

Kiddo,
Thank you for your interest in the rightiousness needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
While I was on the Road, one asked the Rider about what degree of rightiousness is needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The Rider said to me, " Unless your rightiousness exceeds the the rightiousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
Now the scribes and Pharisees were the most rightious people of Israel. They were the chief Rabbis. They obeyed the Law to the letter.
So that means that I was eliminated from that group, for I have broken the commandments of God. Yes, there will be few, if ANY , in that group, for you had to EXCEED their rightiousness in order to enter the Kingdom.
Lou

 

The bibile and the Road kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 12:32:47

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
Thank you for your observation that there are things that I am saying that are also in the bible.
But , you see, I had no scholarly knowledge of the bible when I went on the Road. Neither did those with me. I am telling here what I remember what was said to me, as I remember it. I am not quoting the bible.
One does not have to be a bible scholar to walk the Road. If you had to be a bible scholar to do so, then God would not be a just God for then only people that were bible scholars could go on the Road. And some people can not read. Befor the printing press in 1500, few could read and there were few bibles.
I had a rudimentery knowlege of what most had of some of the psalms and prophets and the well-known storys of Noah, Adam and Eve, Jonah and David and Samson and such. I had never read beyond the psalms and the prophets.
But when I was on the Road, the Rider told us, "Come into Me ,all you that labor....and I will give you rest." All that labor could include those that can not read. And I found out that God communicates with people besides by the written word.
When I was in the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "Behold, I stand at the Gate and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the Gate, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
Lou

 

What Lou is trying to do kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 13:05:22

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
Many people here think that I am trying to get people here to join a cult. This is not true.
I am just a person like all the rest of the people here. I am sharing my experiance here because I believe that there are people here that could beleive what I anm saying. You see, no one has ever beleived my report. My family thought that I was psychotic. My friends left me as soon as I described the Rider on the White Horse. The religious people want nothing to do with me. (there is one exception to this, but I do not want to bring that into this discussion for I do not want it to be construed that I am promoting a particular group, and I am not.) Evryone that I have tried to tell my experiance to has ridiculed me and left me. I have never got beyond the first Gate anyware. Here I am here at the 6th Gate.
I am sharing my experiance here because I believe that my experiance can be experianced by anyone, and perhaps, more so by the people here. And if I could overcome, so could anyone else, for God is not a respector of persons. When I was in the City of Peace,the Rider said to me, "To those that are the called, both jews and non-jews,I am the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Becuse the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty."
Lou

 

Dr. Morganstern kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 13:43:41

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
You asked me about Dr. Morganstern. Below is a post of mine a few days ago about that. BTW, could you tell me about your interest in Dr. Morganstern? If you do tell me your interest, then, perhaps, we can discuss it together.
Thanks,
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020616/msgs/25726.html

 

Re: 180 degrees vs 360 degrees Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 14:35:40

In reply to 180 degrees vs 360 degrees kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 6:37:46

I like that, now that I understand what you mean. I guess it wasn't clear to me because I see it as only 'half-way', vs. a 'complete-turn around'. I guess we see this two different ways. I just think of it as a total change.


Kiddo

 

Re: What Lou is trying to do -- Lou

Posted by Angel Girl on July 4, 2002, at 16:51:20

In reply to What Lou is trying to do kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 13:05:22


Lou

I have 6 questions for you for which I would like to have very short to the point answers to so that I can understand them, without the mentioning of the City of Peace and the 7 gates if you don't mind. You had previously stated that if one would ask for you not to post about that in your reply you would do so, so that's what I am asking from you now. Here are my 6 questions:


1. Why have you not given SandraDee a simple straight forward answer to her questions yet?

2. Why have you not responded to Krazy Kat's last posts to you?

3. If you have recognized that you have been ridiculed and not believed and have lost friends in the telling of your experiences, why then have you not come to the obvious (to me) conclusion that your method of whatever your purpose is does not work and you should look for a more easily acceptable method?

4. If recruiting is not your purpose, then what is the real reason for your continual repeatedness of your experience that seems to always cause so much conflict?

5. Why have you not come to the defense of SandraDee, who I also feel was wrongly blocked by Dr Bob and was only voicing her frustration of your refusal to answer her questions with a straightforward answer, much as I am now???

6. Do you attend church and if so, which denomination would it be?

I ask these questions with the utmost respect to your belief that you experienced what you have told repeatedly, but I would like answers to my questions 'short and sweet' without ANY referencing to your experiences or the use of metaphors. I would also like answers to all my questions in one post. I would prefer not to have to read different installments.

Thanks.

Angel Girl

 

Lou's response to the 6 questions Angel Girl

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 22:26:57

In reply to Re: What Lou is trying to do -- Lou, posted by Angel Girl on July 4, 2002, at 16:51:20

Angel Girl,
#1: I did answer her with a long answer. Did I miss something?
#2: I have responded to all of Krazy Kat's posts
#3: I can only tell what I have experianced and I do not know of another way. Do you have a suggestion?
#4: I have answered this question on another post
#5: I have answered this on the admin. board
#6: I am jewish. I do not attend a church and I have no affiliation with any denomination.
Thank you for your interest in these issues,
Lou

 

Where I left off Lou Pilder

Posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2002, at 2:20:32

In reply to Your last thread... Lou Pilder, posted by IsoM on July 3, 2002, at 16:25:47

[Posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 16:40:12]

> Iso M,
> That post represents querry. That was not my last post on the Road. That was a post about me serching for Dr. Morganstern while I was away recently. Would I start woth that post , and if so,what board would it be on? Or could you find my last post on the Road?
> Thanks,
> Lou

 

Re: The Crown of Life Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 10:55:06

In reply to Re: The Crown of Life kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 6:46:03

> KK,
> The people that will see your Crown of Life are all the people that are around you. For when I was in the City of Peace, I was told, "Let your light shine befor men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."


Here you are referencing two different things. Your light and the Crown of Life are not the same. The Crown of Life is given when "...faithful unto death" (Revelation 2:10) Your light is what people see, not the Crown; the peace, the works, being in the world, but not OF the world, that is the light because the world is what everyone sees, but being different, that's what stands out. You can't light a candle in a dark room and it not be seen.

> You see, when you do a good work, all those that see it, are seeing the glorified God. They see Him in you. They see the Crown of Life.
> Lou

You are not saved by your works, you are JUDGED and/or known (what people see) by your works according to God's Word. You are saved through and by being born of the water and of the Spirit. What about the ones that know nothing about God, what do people see then? There are many good people in the world with good works, and when people see those works, they aren't seeing God, they are seeing good works, because they haven't been born again. How are they seeing a crown that they aren't even striving to obtain? You receive your Crown when you've fought the fight and won the race.


Kiddo

 

Re: 7 Gates vs 12 Gates Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 11:00:15

In reply to 7 Gates vs 12 Gates kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 6:55:55

> Kiddo,
> The City of Peace does have 12 Gates just like you know. When I am talking about the 7 Gates, they are the 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life. The Road has 7 Gates because God did His creation in 7 days and on the 7th day He ended His work and rested. When I was in the City of Peace I was told , "God blessed the 7th day, and sanctified it" When one goes through the 7th Gate, they will find rest.
> Lou


God did not do His creation in 7 days....He created everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th. When you go through the 6th gate, you will find rest, because the 7th day IS rest if you are indeed following that format. May I ask what road you are on?

Kiddo

 

Re: Going on the Road Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 11:03:50

In reply to Going on the Road kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 7:12:38

> Kiddo,
> You raised a good question when you said that I am leading people to the Road and that could mean that I am saying that I am, somehow, getting involved with what God is doing.
> When I went through the first Gate , I described seeing a Rider on a White Horse.
> You see, I am desribing how I was led on the Road to the Crown of Life. I am describing that it is, indeed, the Rider that is doing the leading, not myself. And when anyone else travels the Road, the Rider will, indeed, do the leading. I am only describing my experiance as to how I was led by the Rider on the White Horse.
> When I was in the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "If any one serves Me, let him follow me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor."
> Lou

You said in a previous post that General Lee was riding that horse, and the Rider wasn't Jesus, but you are quoting Jesus, can you explain this to me please?


Kiddo

 

Re: The rightiousness needed to enter the Kingdom Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 11:12:31

In reply to The rightiousness needed to enter the Kingdom kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 11:01:04

> Kiddo,
> Thank you for your interest in the rightiousness needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
> While I was on the Road, one asked the Rider about what degree of rightiousness is needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The Rider said to me, " Unless your rightiousness exceeds the the rightiousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
> Now the scribes and Pharisees were the most rightious people of Israel. They were the chief Rabbis. They obeyed the Law to the letter.
> So that means that I was eliminated from that group, for I have broken the commandments of God. Yes, there will be few, if ANY , in that group, for you had to EXCEED their rightiousness in order to enter the Kingdom.
> Lou


The scribes and Pharisees said but they did not, they said, and preached, but they didn't live it. They said that Jesus cast out devils by the Beelzebub, the prince of the devils. These people were NOT the most righteous in all of Israel. They were hypocrites.


Kiddo

 

Re: The bibile and the Road Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 11:20:04

In reply to The bibile and the Road kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 12:32:47

The Rider was quoting Jesus, and Jesus IS the Word. If what is said by any man; whether it is the Rider on the white horse, a Teacher or Preacher, if it isn't in accordance with the Word, it is wrong and therefore the wrong road.


Kiddo


 

Lou's response to kiddo's post kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2002, at 12:30:50

In reply to Re: The Crown of Life Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 10:55:06

Kiddo,
Thank you for your interest in my post. You have talked about being saved by being born of water and spirit. Could you explain what you mean by "saved" and "water and spirit"?
If you clarify that , then i will be better able to respond to your post.
Thanks,
Lou

 

The 7 days and te 7 Gates kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2002, at 12:55:13

In reply to Re: 7 Gates vs 12 Gates Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 11:00:15

Kiddo,
Thank you for your interest in the 7 days. I referr to the creation being 7 days, with the 7th day the day that God rested, the 6 days being the days of "work". The 7th day, then, is the sabbath day.
Now when you go through the 6th Gate, you enter the sabbath rest, for you are in the 7th day. But that is only one type of sabbath rest. That is the physical sabbath. When one goes through the 7th Gate, they enter The City of Peace. That is a different type of rest. It is the deliverance from slavery, for you have ovecome. It is being spiritually made free, at last.
Lou

 

Re: Going on the Road kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2002, at 13:18:10

In reply to Re: Going on the Road Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 11:03:50

Kiddo,
You taked about General Lee. When I told of my being with General Lee, I was explaining one of the time-Gates that one can go through , either to the future or the past. Now going through a time-Gate is not essential on the Road to the Crown of Life. Now the general was riding a white horse, but I did not indicate that that white horse was the same white horse that the Rider was riding. In fact, the first white horse that I wrote about had a rider with only one crown. He was not the same as the Rider with many crowns.
Lou

 

Re: The Crown of Life kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2002, at 13:33:53

In reply to Re: The Crown of Life Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 10:55:06

Kiddo,
You asked about the people that know nothing about God, what do people see then?
Kiddo, how do you know that someone knows nothing about God. You said that there are people that have not been born again. Could you clarify as to whether you mean that there are people that do good works and that their works are not seen because they have not been "born again"? or are you saying that only people that are born again can see good works? If you could clarify that, then I would be able respond better to your post.
Thanks,
Lou

 

Re: please be supportive kiddo

Posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2002, at 10:10:26

In reply to Re: The bibile and the Road Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 11:20:04

> The Rider was quoting Jesus, and Jesus IS the Word. If what is said by any man; whether it is the Rider on the white horse, a Teacher or Preacher, if it isn't in accordance with the Word, it is wrong and therefore the wrong road.

You (and everyone else) are entitled to believe whatever you like, but I don't think it's supportive here to imply that there's only one "right" road and all others are wrong.

Bob

PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.

 

Re: The Crown of Life

Posted by snood on July 20, 2002, at 0:38:58

In reply to Re: The Crown of Life Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 18, 2002, at 10:55:06

The bible says "ye must be born again"...and that we are "saved by grace". As a christian, being born again is believing that Jesus came to this earth and died on the cross and shed His blood for us. If we believe this and accept Him into our heart as our Savior, He forgives our sins and we are born into God's family. It's as easy as a simple prayer acknowledging that you are a sinner, asking God to forgive you, believing that Christ shed his blood for your sins, and asking him to come into your life to be your Lord and saviour. (You are then filled with the Holy Spirit.) I think that Kiddo means that being born of the Spirit, is being saved or born again, and being born of the water is baptism. But I'm not speaking for Kiddo. This is MY understanding of the bible. Baptism is an act of obedience once your are born again, or at least that's what my church believes, and that I, too, have come to understand from the bible. I think there are other Christian Denominiations that believe you have to be baptised to be born again and to enter into heaven after death. But like I said, this is what I have come to believe, and MY interpretation of the Bible. Just my $.02.


"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6).

"To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).

"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

 

Re: I've never understood that.

Posted by Dinah on July 20, 2002, at 1:21:03

In reply to Re: The Crown of Life, posted by snood on July 20, 2002, at 0:38:58

Isn't the act of having faith a work? It is an action. If the belief is that one cannot earn his way to heaven by works, then how can one earn his way to heaven by the work of having faith?

I had always been tought that "salvation" came only from the grace of God. And by extension, the grace of God can be extended to anyone God wishes to extend it to. I have far too much awe of my maker to presume to know who he will or will not extend his grace to. Even though in the old and new testaments, he laid down guidelines, isn't it ultimately up to him?

I went round and round with a minister once about this. That salvation is not through good works or through the work of faith, but by the grace of God alone. And that surely that grace can be extended to people who are reaching out to him on any one of many roads or even ones on a road that does not reach for him. Eventually the minister admitted that church doctrine was that salvation was by God's grace alone.

Now, admittedly I have odd ways of looking at things, and I certainly claim no special knowledge of the divine plan.

But I sort of expect to see good and rightous Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. to all meet with favor in God's eyes. And I'm certainly not going to tell my Lord and Creator that he can't "save" anyone he wants to save.

Just my take on it. I'm not saying that the teaching of certain Christian churches that salvation is by faith alone is incorrect. How on earth would I know. I have only my limited understanding. But I respect those on all paths who are reaching for a common goal.

 

Re: Please ignore that last post.

Posted by Dinah on July 20, 2002, at 1:54:21

In reply to Re: I've never understood that., posted by Dinah on July 20, 2002, at 1:21:03

I think it may be wiser to leave my odd views on theology off the board. I give my minister enough grief.

 

Salvation, Works and Faith

Posted by IsoM on July 20, 2002, at 2:26:57

In reply to Re: I've never understood that., posted by Dinah on July 20, 2002, at 1:21:03

I will offer no opinions but will only quote some different Bible verses on these subjects. You can draw your own conclusions. I feel debating religion leads nowhere. Discussion can sometimes, but internet forums are a poor place for discussion. The text taken is from various Bible translations.

Faith & Works or Deeds:
"In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accomplished by action, is dead"
and
"You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone."
and
"As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead." - James 2:17,24,26 (International Bible translation)

Bible's definition of Faith:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." - Hebrew 11: 1 (King James version)
Notice that it says "evidence of things not seen"? Real faith is not 'blind' but is based on solid evidence, just as we cannot 'see' black holes but there is scientific evidence that they exist.

Salvation:
"By grace you have been saved by faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God - not because of works, let any man should boast." - Ephesians 2:8,9
and
"He (referring to Jesus) bcame the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him." - Hebrew 5:9 (Revised Standard version)

Misplaced Zeal:
"For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they, being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." - Romans 10:2,3
and
"Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'" - Matthew 7:21-23 (Revised Standard version)

 

I enjoy hearing your views (nm) Dinah

Posted by tabitha on July 20, 2002, at 2:44:55

In reply to Re: Please ignore that last post., posted by Dinah on July 20, 2002, at 1:54:21

 

I appreciate your views too! (nm) Dinah

Posted by SandraDee on July 20, 2002, at 11:09:09

In reply to Re: Please ignore that last post., posted by Dinah on July 20, 2002, at 1:54:21


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