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Re: Having a hard time... SandraDee

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 2, 2002, at 21:02:20

In reply to Having a hard time... Lou Pilder, posted by SandraDee on July 1, 2002, at 23:42:26

Sandra Dee,
I am going to continue with the last 2 Gates. Those are the Gates that reveal God's plan of salvation. With that, then ,perhaps, we will have more illumination and things won't be so uncertian. But I have been away forom the board for a while and I do not know where I left off. Can you tell me where I left off?
Lou

 

thoughts as sins-ten commandments

Posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 9:50:39

In reply to The commandments krazy kat , posted by Lou Pilder on July 2, 2002, at 20:25:08

I could never believe that a thought such as looking upon a friend's wife with natural human lust, is a "sin" or a breaking of a commandment. This is partly why Some branches of Christianty upset me.

Thoughts are thoughts and if a "bad" one slips in there, the best thing to do is let it go and not harbor it. As a child, I would ask God's forgiveness for thinking bad things about my schoolmate who had no manners and cut the water fountain line. I would pray, over and over, that I be purged of the sexual feelings I had at age 10 because that was "wrong". This is partly why I am agnostic today.

Thoughts are not sins - actions are. The Ten Commandments are laws.

Are you a "chosen" one, Lou? Is this why you feel compelled to tell this story?

 

The Chosen krazy kat

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 11:06:52

In reply to thoughts as sins-ten commandments, posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 9:50:39

Krazy Kat,
While I was on the Road to the Crown of Life, a women came out of the woods in hysterics and accosted the Rider on the White Horse demanding that He heal her daughter that was having a psychotic episode. She had heard that He had raised a person from the dead and had sought after Him to heal her daughter. At first the Rider did not even answer her. Then He said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Then she said, "I believe that you are The Son of David and that you have come to all, including those that are not from the house of Israel."
The Rider answered her and said, "O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as your desire." And her daughter was healed in the same hour.
Krazy Kat, this experiance that I had told me that even though the Jews were chosen by God, all of the other people that have faith are also in the House of Israel. The House of Israel has no jew or gentile, no male or female, no this race or that race. We are all one.. The Gates on the Road have no restrictions to persons. The Crown of Life will be given to anyone that overcomes.
Lou

 

Clarity - IMHO Lou Pilder

Posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 11:15:34

In reply to The Chosen krazy kat , posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 11:06:52

Lou:

I do not want you to stop posting. And I Really appreciate that you are using this Faith Board rather than Social because I believe it serves the community better here.

I think, what has been frustrating about your posts is the long metaphorical nature of them. That does not mean you can't write as lengthy and metaphorical posts as you'd like. It's just my opinion.

These parts of your last post:

"even though the Jews were chosen by God, all of the other people that have faith are also in the House of Israel. The House of Israel has no jew or gentile, no male or female, no this race or that race. We are all one... The Crown of Life will be given to anyone that overcomes."

are still somewhat unclear to me, But so much less so than others I have seen. It answers my question about your belief about the "Chosen".

So, that's just an example of what *might* make it easier for others to understand your message. Remember, you might lose people Because of their inability to follow the story, rather than simple, clear statements to questions.

Next, define the "Crown of Life" and you're on the mark.

- kk

 

The Crown of Life krazy kat

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 11:32:19

In reply to Clarity - IMHO Lou Pilder, posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 11:15:34

Krazy Kat,
Historically, a crown was given to one that conquered or was victorious. The Roman crown was the laural wreath. The crown was usually made of gold.
Those that were given the crowns, wore them. They were seen by others and those that wore them were considered accomplishers.
The Crown of Life is given by God to those that overcome and endure temptation. The Crown of Life is Eternal Life which the Lord has promised to those that love Him.
When you receive your Crown, people will see it on you. Not in gold, but in love, peace and joy.
Lou

 

Re: thoughts as sins-ten commandments krazy kat

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 12:04:49

In reply to thoughts as sins-ten commandments, posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 9:50:39

Krazy Kat,
When I was in the City of Peace, I was told that God looks at the heart of man. Thinking about commiting adultery ,to God, was explained to me to be the same as commiting adultery.
But it was further explained to me that we are all tempted. And that it is temptation that we have to overcome and God knows all about temptation for it was revealed to me the the Rider was also tempted in all things and that He was the only one ever that did not fall to any temptation.
Temptation to commit adultery is not what is unatural. It is following through with the temptaion . The Rider told me, "Flee fornication. Run away from it. For this can destroy the body."
Now I had the begginings of my experiance over 30 years ago. There was no such thing as AIDS then. I just read in my newspaper the huge amount of deaths caused by AIDS. And that the number of deaths is becomming geometrically higher. And that most of the deaths were caused by sexual transmission. Many years ago ,sexually transmitted diseases could be cured. But today, you have to be lucky when you take the chance to have sex with multiple partners or people that you do not know their sexual history of. Yes, fornication can kill. I read in the paper where people murder the person that is commiting adultery. It may be the wife that discovers her husbands infidelity. Or the husband that kills the other man. I was told to not even think of adultery for then the temptation will not be concieved to act it out. There is more to this, but that will be at your request.
Lou

 

ah, but thoughts do not come from the heart... Lou Pilder

Posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 15:41:23

In reply to Re: thoughts as sins-ten commandments krazy kat , posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 12:04:49

Lou, they come from the brain. So do emotions. That was not known many, many years ago.

> > And that it is temptation that we have to overcome

I'll absolutely agree with you there. :) Even as an agnostic, that is the case in many areas of life. Or one can view it as, if I make this decision versus this decision, it will, in the long run, be better for me. And avoiding adultery, for many reasons, would fit into that category.

> > But today, you have to be lucky when you take the chance to have sex with multiple partners or people that you do not know their sexual history of.

Well, that's not quite true. If one uses a condom and female protection, the odds drop tremendously.

>> but that will be at your request.

Lou, I think I, and many, requested the continuation and end of this story long ago. Please do continue. And I have no idea where you left off, and Sandra has been unfairly blocked, so I don't know...

- kk

 

The chances krazy kat

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 15:49:27

In reply to ah, but thoughts do not come from the heart... Lou Pilder, posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 15:41:23

KK,
The AIDS virus can go through a condom. The condom is not a perfect protector for mechanical reasons, also. They can break, they can fall off, they can be sabatoged to fail.
You may not be taking the same chance as without, but you still will have to take a chance.
Lou

 

risks from sex outside marriage Lou Pilder

Posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 16:07:03

In reply to The chances krazy kat , posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 15:49:27

this is getting off-topic and could be a whole other thread.

just to present real info though, as well as my view, it is natural "skin" condoms that potentially allow a virus to pass through, not latex.

I would never "not" tell someone that there are risks with having sex unless one is in a monogamous relationship. But there are risks crossing the street, etc., etc.

There's a big rise in Pro-Life Right-Wing Groups pushing abstinence until marriage as the Only answer for a healthy sex life. This is propaganda and the withholding of information in some cases.

That's my 2 cents. Why don't you move on to your next stop on this journey.

- kk

 

Lou agrees with the Kat krazy kat

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 16:12:46

In reply to risks from sex outside marriage Lou Pilder, posted by krazy kat on July 3, 2002, at 16:07:03

KK,
I agree that this discussion has now developed into one that should be moved to the social board.
But could you do me a favor and reserch the archives for me and find out where I left off on the Road? My computer always has the yellow eggs next to the posts and for some reason, I have difficulty going back in the archives. I always find the wrong months.
Lou

 

Your last thread... Lou Pilder

Posted by IsoM on July 3, 2002, at 16:25:47

In reply to Lou agrees with the Kat krazy kat , posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 16:12:46

Here, Lou, I'll even show you.

You posted about meeting Dr. Morgenstein:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020616/msgs/25726.html

 

Re: just clarifying.... lou pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:17:07

In reply to Re: just clarifying.... SandraDee, posted by lou pilder on July 2, 2002, at 13:29:22

> SandrDee,
> I presume that your question is: Are the people that do not go on the 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life "saved" or not?
> My answer is this:
> Case #1:Person travles the Road and recieves the Crown of Life. The Crown of Life is ETERNAL LIFE

********
CASE #1: Person travels the road and never accepts Christ as their Savior, giving their life to Him completely, they STILL won't receive the Crown of Life.

> CASE#2: Person does not travle the Road and knew good from evil. That person is judged by their lifetime works. If their lifetime works are works of rightiousness that EXCEEDS the rightiousness of the most rightious Rabbis that ever lived, then they will recieve Eternal Life. This requirers keeping the commandments from their youth without ever breaking one of them. These people do not need a Redeemer for they never broke God's laws.

CASE #2: From my understanding of the Bible, this is impossible, because the Bible says "there is none not righteous, no not one." Every man will be judged according to his works, not just the "Case #2" people.


> Case#3: People that did not have the chance to walk the Road because they found out about the Road on their deathbed and could not live an overcomming life. These people are of two types:
> TypeA: Never believed in God and just wanted to extend their lives anyway that they could so that they could just have another breath. They can not accept death. These people are not "saved"

CASE #3:

TYPE A: All those people have to do is ask God to forgive them, and they will be saved, regardless of whether they are on their deathbed or not.

> Type B: Believed that they have failed in their life to God and are extreamly sorry and know that they deserve hell. They have one last request before their last breath and that is that God will have mercy on them and actually pay their penalty for them . They want to be remembered in God's Kingdom and admit that they are guilty and do not deserve Eternal Life. God will reveal His plan of salvation to them and these people will be in Paradise.

TYPE B: Again, if ANYONE repents and is truly sorry for what they have done, asks God to forgive them, they will be forgiven and enter into Heaven as well.


> Case#4: There is no "second chance" after death. But there are people that never had a "first" chance. These are the people that can not know what good or evil are. These are the people that died before an accountable age of decernment. These are people that never had an experiance to bring them to the knowkege of God's plan. They do not recieve Eternal Life automatically, but are treated in a manner that I do not have the time or space to tell you about. But God is a God of justice and those people are treated with the same justice as the people that had a "first " chance.

Don't know where you are going with this one, but you are right, God is a just God, and each man judged accordingly.


> Case#5: The Chosen. These are the chosen by God. There are people that are chosen to be God's people. But these people have a higher standard in their lives to perform. They carry a greater obligation and actually enter into a covenant relationship with God. They acually become sons of God and servants of God. These people have a special mission and give up living a life that the rest of the people live. They sacrifice all for the Kingdom of God. Many of these regret that they were chosen and some commit suicide and many are murdered . God reveals His plan of salvation to them and they do recieve Eternal Life unless they rebel against God. The Devil, Satan, actually was in God's Kingdom and rebelled against Him. He will be cast into the Lake of Fire along with those that follow him for they never repented of their rebellion against God.

Where do you get THIS?!!???!?!?!?! Every person that gives their life to God, sacrifices all for the Kingdom of God and lives their life according to His plan.


> Case #6: People in rebellion to God and turn 180 degrees from rebellion against God to seeking God with all their heart. These people find God and God reveals His plan of salvation to them. Most of them go through a purging process that is tourterous. But people volunteer for this persecution for rightiousness sake. They accept the world's scorn. They are outcasts for the Kingdom of God and do not care what the world thinks of them. They seek to store up treasures in heaven and reject the world' ways. They carry with them their own acceptance of being executed for serving God. They recieve Eternal Life as long as they do not return to their evil ways and forsake God.

People in rebellion that have turned 180 degrees are only half as rebellious as they were before! However, those that turn 360 degrees have turned their lives around compmletely and serve God with all their hearts. Everyone 'volunteers' as you put it. Everyone accepts God willingly and freely, it's a choice that God has given man.

EVERYONE accepts Eternal Life that doesn't reject God, but accepts Him into their hearts and lives for Him.

> Case #6: These people know that they have really caused God grief by the way that they lived their life and are extreamly sorry and know that they deserve hell. They have no idea about the Road or anything else about God. But they cry out,"Lord have mercy upom me, a SINNER. Forgive me and I will forgive all others."
> These people are taken to the Road and recieve the Crown of Life.
> Lou


See Above-


Kiddo

 

Re: The Crown of Life Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:18:16

In reply to The Crown of Life krazy kat , posted by Lou Pilder on July 3, 2002, at 11:32:19

What people are you talking about that will 'see the Crown of Life on you"?

Kiddo

 

Where you left off..... Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

In reply to Re: Having a hard time... SandraDee, posted by Lou Pilder on July 2, 2002, at 21:02:20

I had several questions you never had the chance to answer....


Why do you keep talking about the 7 Gates, if there are really 12?

How did General Lee get on that horse??!?!

You said that you could lead people to the City of Peace, but the Bible says that God is the only way, are you saying you are God?

Is there a way to get in contact with Dr. Morganstern?

You aren't given a 'handbook' until you get to the City of Peace? I think that handbook is called the Bible, and without it you won't get there. What handbook are YOU referring to?

In one post, you said 'the truth will set you free.', that scripture has been misquoted for ages....it says 'the truth will MAKE you free...'

If indeed you don't have anything to do with converting people to religion, or whatever, what is it exactly that you are trying to do?


Kiddo

 

180 degrees vs 360 degrees kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 6:37:46

In reply to Re: just clarifying.... lou pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:17:07

Kiddo,
Thank you for your contribution to this discussion. You appear very knowlegable about God's plan of salvation.
When I said that a person turns 180 degrees, that, to me, means that the person was going in one direction and then turned 180 degrees which would now mean that the person is then going in the opposite direction that they were going originally. Geometrically, to me, if they turned 360 degrees, then they would have just returned to the same direction and not changed their course at all.
But I am delighted that you want to discuss The Crown of Life and I am looking forward to more discussion with you.
Best regards,
Lou

 

Re: The Crown of Life kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 6:46:03

In reply to Re: The Crown of Life Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:18:16

KK,
The people that will see your Crown of Life are all the people that are around you. For when I was in the City of Peace, I was told, "Let your light shine befor men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
You see, when you do a good work, all those that see it, are seeing the glorified God. They see Him in you. They see the Crown of Life.
Lou

 

7 Gates vs 12 Gates kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 6:55:55

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
The City of Peace does have 12 Gates just like you know. When I am talking about the 7 Gates, they are the 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life. The Road has 7 Gates because God did His creation in 7 days and on the 7th day He ended His work and rested. When I was in the City of Peace I was told , "God blessed the 7th day, and sanctified it" When one goes through the 7th Gate, they will find rest.
Lou

 

Going on the Road kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 7:12:38

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
You raised a good question when you said that I am leading people to the Road and that could mean that I am saying that I am, somehow, getting involved with what God is doing.
When I went through the first Gate , I described seeing a Rider on a White Horse.
You see, I am desribing how I was led on the Road to the Crown of Life. I am describing that it is, indeed, the Rider that is doing the leading, not myself. And when anyone else travels the Road, the Rider will, indeed, do the leading. I am only describing my experiance as to how I was led by the Rider on the White Horse.
When I was in the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "If any one serves Me, let him follow me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor."
Lou

 

The rightiousness needed to enter the Kingdom kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 11:01:04

In reply to Re: just clarifying.... lou pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:17:07

Kiddo,
Thank you for your interest in the rightiousness needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
While I was on the Road, one asked the Rider about what degree of rightiousness is needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The Rider said to me, " Unless your rightiousness exceeds the the rightiousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
Now the scribes and Pharisees were the most rightious people of Israel. They were the chief Rabbis. They obeyed the Law to the letter.
So that means that I was eliminated from that group, for I have broken the commandments of God. Yes, there will be few, if ANY , in that group, for you had to EXCEED their rightiousness in order to enter the Kingdom.
Lou

 

The bibile and the Road kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 12:32:47

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
Thank you for your observation that there are things that I am saying that are also in the bible.
But , you see, I had no scholarly knowledge of the bible when I went on the Road. Neither did those with me. I am telling here what I remember what was said to me, as I remember it. I am not quoting the bible.
One does not have to be a bible scholar to walk the Road. If you had to be a bible scholar to do so, then God would not be a just God for then only people that were bible scholars could go on the Road. And some people can not read. Befor the printing press in 1500, few could read and there were few bibles.
I had a rudimentery knowlege of what most had of some of the psalms and prophets and the well-known storys of Noah, Adam and Eve, Jonah and David and Samson and such. I had never read beyond the psalms and the prophets.
But when I was on the Road, the Rider told us, "Come into Me ,all you that labor....and I will give you rest." All that labor could include those that can not read. And I found out that God communicates with people besides by the written word.
When I was in the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "Behold, I stand at the Gate and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the Gate, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
Lou

 

What Lou is trying to do kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 13:05:22

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
Many people here think that I am trying to get people here to join a cult. This is not true.
I am just a person like all the rest of the people here. I am sharing my experiance here because I believe that there are people here that could beleive what I anm saying. You see, no one has ever beleived my report. My family thought that I was psychotic. My friends left me as soon as I described the Rider on the White Horse. The religious people want nothing to do with me. (there is one exception to this, but I do not want to bring that into this discussion for I do not want it to be construed that I am promoting a particular group, and I am not.) Evryone that I have tried to tell my experiance to has ridiculed me and left me. I have never got beyond the first Gate anyware. Here I am here at the 6th Gate.
I am sharing my experiance here because I believe that my experiance can be experianced by anyone, and perhaps, more so by the people here. And if I could overcome, so could anyone else, for God is not a respector of persons. When I was in the City of Peace,the Rider said to me, "To those that are the called, both jews and non-jews,I am the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Becuse the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty."
Lou

 

Dr. Morganstern kiddo

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 13:43:41

In reply to Where you left off..... Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 0:32:55

Kiddo,
You asked me about Dr. Morganstern. Below is a post of mine a few days ago about that. BTW, could you tell me about your interest in Dr. Morganstern? If you do tell me your interest, then, perhaps, we can discuss it together.
Thanks,
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020616/msgs/25726.html

 

Re: 180 degrees vs 360 degrees Lou Pilder

Posted by kiddo on July 4, 2002, at 14:35:40

In reply to 180 degrees vs 360 degrees kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 6:37:46

I like that, now that I understand what you mean. I guess it wasn't clear to me because I see it as only 'half-way', vs. a 'complete-turn around'. I guess we see this two different ways. I just think of it as a total change.


Kiddo

 

Re: What Lou is trying to do -- Lou

Posted by Angel Girl on July 4, 2002, at 16:51:20

In reply to What Lou is trying to do kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 13:05:22


Lou

I have 6 questions for you for which I would like to have very short to the point answers to so that I can understand them, without the mentioning of the City of Peace and the 7 gates if you don't mind. You had previously stated that if one would ask for you not to post about that in your reply you would do so, so that's what I am asking from you now. Here are my 6 questions:


1. Why have you not given SandraDee a simple straight forward answer to her questions yet?

2. Why have you not responded to Krazy Kat's last posts to you?

3. If you have recognized that you have been ridiculed and not believed and have lost friends in the telling of your experiences, why then have you not come to the obvious (to me) conclusion that your method of whatever your purpose is does not work and you should look for a more easily acceptable method?

4. If recruiting is not your purpose, then what is the real reason for your continual repeatedness of your experience that seems to always cause so much conflict?

5. Why have you not come to the defense of SandraDee, who I also feel was wrongly blocked by Dr Bob and was only voicing her frustration of your refusal to answer her questions with a straightforward answer, much as I am now???

6. Do you attend church and if so, which denomination would it be?

I ask these questions with the utmost respect to your belief that you experienced what you have told repeatedly, but I would like answers to my questions 'short and sweet' without ANY referencing to your experiences or the use of metaphors. I would also like answers to all my questions in one post. I would prefer not to have to read different installments.

Thanks.

Angel Girl

 

Lou's response to the 6 questions Angel Girl

Posted by Lou Pilder on July 4, 2002, at 22:26:57

In reply to Re: What Lou is trying to do -- Lou, posted by Angel Girl on July 4, 2002, at 16:51:20

Angel Girl,
#1: I did answer her with a long answer. Did I miss something?
#2: I have responded to all of Krazy Kat's posts
#3: I can only tell what I have experianced and I do not know of another way. Do you have a suggestion?
#4: I have answered this question on another post
#5: I have answered this on the admin. board
#6: I am jewish. I do not attend a church and I have no affiliation with any denomination.
Thank you for your interest in these issues,
Lou


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